anavar makes me mean

[spidey]

Hormone levels having an effect on mood is well documented YJ. Now, "roid rage" or bouts of uncontrollable aggression is not so well documented and I think it is a cop out. Many people find their tempers are shorter when on cycle but anyone with an ounce of self dicipline can control it. I personally never felt any excess aggression when on cycle until I did a short M1T cycle. I definately had a much shorter fuse and little things irritated me more easily. I didn't go ape-shit and beat my wife up or anything though. That is just silly.

[YellowJacket]

Big difference between exogenous hormones vs. endogenous hormones.

Theres no evidence that confirms raised aggression via exogenous hormones. I have several that show exogenous hormones have no effect on aggression (NOT MOOD, AGGRESSION). Ill debate this until the day I die (or Im banned)...

[the_inkslinger]

I have to agree with Yellow on the fact that if you arean asshole off AS youll be a bigger asshole on them.

But I have to disagree that they do not affect mood at all. I finished off my cyclewith Anavar (BTG) and it definitely got me edgy ... and easily agg'd ..when I was taking my sust EOD I didnt feel that way ... I just felt happy ... and ..well horny ;-)

[YellowJacket]

Re: Read: Aggression not mood. Theres a psychological difference.

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Re: Read: Aggression not mood. Theres a psychological difference.

While I agree with you let me ask you this. Do the 2 not go hand an hand? I dont know about you bro but if im in a depressed state or just a bad mood and someone is pissing me off, I am likely to be come agressive. You see my point? In other words, mood dictates emotions and agressions.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Re: Read: Aggression not mood. Theres a psychological difference.

But there is a direct link. when my temper shortens on tren I become irrtabile quickly on things that normally wouldn't which leads me to release some anger in some type of aggresive form whether it is to bang my fist on the table or scream at the top of my lungs just to get rid of my edgyness. Do I think steroids can put people in uncontrollable rages, no.

[beefcake]

Originally posted by stonecold54
But there is a direct link. when my temper shortens on tren I become irrtabile quickly on things that normally wouldn't which leads me to release some anger in some type of aggresive form whether it is to bang my fist on the table or scream at the top of my lungs just to get rid of my edgyness. Do I think steroids can put people in uncontrollable rages, no.

Doesn't DHT play a role in this? Aggression and mood enhancement?

[spidey]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Big difference between exogenous hormones vs. endogenous hormones.

Theres no evidence that confirms raised aggression via exogenous hormones. I have several that show exogenous hormones have no effect on aggression (NOT MOOD, AGGRESSION). Ill debate this until the day I die (or Im banned)...

How is there a difference between exogenous and endogenous hormones? If you somehow developed a problem with your endocrin system and started producing 1000 mg test a week, are you saying that would be different than someone shooting 1000 mg test a week? Bullshit! It doesn't matter where the test comes from. The levels in your system is what matters no matter what the source.

As to the theme of the initial post, he claimed it made him feel mean. That sounds like a MOOD to me. He didn't say he flipped out and axe murdered a small neighborhood or something. Aggression is an ACT. Feeling mean, irritated, or angry is a MOOD. You can feel mean as shit but unless you act on it, it's not aggression.

Now, moods can certainly make aggression more likely. Think about it; are you more likely to hit someone who is pissing you off or would you be more likely to just randomly attack someone without any provocation? Being in a pissed off mood can certainly make aggression more likely. Since we have established that hormone levels definately can affect MOOD and mood can make aggression more likely, it logically follows that hormones can indirectly make aggression more likely (through the effects on mood).

Dbol said var was making him mean (a MOOD). Why is it such a stretch for you to acknowledge it could really be the var? Is it because you have a preexisting belief that AAS CAN'T cause aggression?

I used to hold the same belief until I took M1T. It couldn't have been placebo effect because I did not believe AAS caused aggression and had never experienced major changes in mood when on cycle. I had no reason to believe M1T would be any different. M1T made me mean as shit. My wife noticed within a few days (before I did). No, I didn't do anything aggressive; I was just really easily irritated and little things made me really angry. I have enough self control and self dicipline to control my actions. Therefore, you really couldn't call it steroid induced aggression. I was just in a perpetual bad mood.

I know many others with similar stories and at least one who didn't have the required self control and really did beat the shit out of somebody. No, he isn't an asshole off cycle. He was a gentle person who wouldn't hurt a fly. He sure did kick the shit out of somebody at a bar one night though; put the dude in the hospital. He was in tears later about it. "I don't know what came over me" he said. Was it a coincidence that he was on a heavy cycle? I think not.

You can stubbornly put your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the evidence that steroids can affect mood (and therefore aggression) but you won't convince anyone who has experienced it or seen it first hand.

[beefcake]

Originally posted by spidey
M1T made me mean as shit.

Could the lack of estrogen from some of these compounds be the culprit?

[rude]

When I took var, I was a bit moody too. Didnt beat up anyone or freak out, but I was quickly irrated from little things that never bother me.

Even my Best friend noticed me being a bit moody without knowing I was taking var

[Chadd77]

Tren+halo+low carbs= ASSHOLE! At least for me. That combo was nasty. Great results though! :D

[spidey]

Originally posted by beefcake
Could the lack of estrogen from some of these compounds be the culprit?

I don't think so. If that were the case, fina should have had some effect on my mood and it didn't. Also, people on cycle who take large doses of aromatase inhibitors like letro should notice a difference in mood if that was the case and I don't think they do as a rule.

[hitmansb]

I've now heard from enough people, both in person and on this board, that var has made then feel 'mean' or something like it. That's enough proof for me that it is possible....I don't care what some half-baked scientific abstract says to the contrary.

[BiggerStronger]

I agree certain compounds make me feel more irritable....not necessarily a bad mood...but more aggressive. Now I can control myself, but I have to watch my temper sometimes and cool off about small things...I can also be more tolerable of things as well...so it's dependent on my mood at the time just like anyone else.

[Pumpdogg]

I am currently taking var now and it has affected my moods for sure. Much shorter temper, screaming baby at night without sleep gets me grumpy, yet I dont bash her little preciuos head or anything. Some people like to argue anything just for the fun of it.

PD