HGH & Gyno!!

[G-S]

Originally posted by DS-COUSIN
The downside to TREN is that you can't cycle on as long as you do with TEST; to toxic... 4-6 weeks recommended (75-100 mg), but I have heard 8 weeks for a more experienced BB-enthusiast.

Any medical studies to back up your statement? Or are you going of the urban myth and theory's that many of the uninformed have went by on these boards for years now?

I've been a long time supporter of tren. Have researched every aspect of it, inside and out. Even the medical experts have no idea of toxicity to be sure, as it's not intended for humans - therfore last I checked, there were no accurate tests available for reading. If you can point me to some, I'm all ears, as I'm always willing to learn.

BTW - I ran tren for 40 straight weeks during a 58 week cycle, and all my testing levels were back in the normal range within 6 weeks of PCT.

[BAiley]

G-S Nice work....Hope you don't mind, but I might want to ask you some questions before I start a cycle of TREN..
its coming soon...

[DS-COUSIN]

Originally posted by G-S
Any medical studies to back up your statement? Or are you going of the urban myth and theory's that many of the uninformed have went by on these boards for years now?

I've been a long time supporter of tren. Have researched every aspect of it, inside and out. Even the medical experts have no idea of toxicity to be sure, as it's not intended for humans - therfore last I checked, there were no accurate tests available for reading. If you can point me to some, I'm all ears, as I'm always willing to learn.

BTW - I ran tren for 40 straight weeks during a 58 week cycle, and all my testing levels were back in the normal range within 6 weeks of PCT.

G-S,

I hear what you're saying and I haven't seen any concrete evidence supporting (i.e., studies) the toxicity levels we all have read about. BUT, since my closest friends are an HRT, Plastic Surgeon (muscle repair and prescribes gear for patients), and a PHD Chemist, I tend to side with their words of wisdom. Granted, I do talk with current IFBB pro "Mr. Intensity," (13 yr. friendship) not to name names and a former IFBB pro, who has a book published and had a kidney transplant not to long ago, but with all that in mind, you are right, there is no conclusive studies. If you ran a long cycle of TREN, awesome, but I'll stick with the myth of toxic levels being too high. Even "The Bouncer" recommended cycles no longer than 8 weeks. I am with you in "being pointed in the right direction to conclusive studies," but until there are some; why not stick to what we know now until something comes available? Why would you risk it? I am all for getting freaky, but at what cost? My point is this, just like you, I do my research and when something is unclear I stick with our standard 'rules-of-thumb' until scientific proof is available, subjugating the myth is a personally choice I am not willing to part with. Whether it is okay to run TREN for a longer time is not my choice, but I am surely not going suggest to someone to do it unless 'scientific proof' is available. I know this sounds like a rant, but why give a novice information to run TREN for a longer time than recommended, it's just plain irresponsible.

DS

[G-S]

Recommended by who? I think you are missing my point. My point is this - there are NO facts that tren is liver/kidney toxic. Now, there are many theories, most of which are drummed up on these boards.

As for TheBouncer saying not to run tren longer than 8 weeks, last I knew he hadn't even tried Tren. So tell that big lug to stuff it in his ass. :D

DS, I'm not telling you what is safe and what isn't. You'll have to find that out for yourself. Remember, until a few years ago, all you could read on these boards was to "only use Dball to kickstart your cycle"...

See where I'm going with this? There are many experts when it comes to reading what someone types, remembering it, then spreading it out like they know wtf they are talking about every chance they get. I'm giving you my personal information. I've ran it many times, and at various lengths. So, take it for what it's worth.

But, I do agree with your approach of being safe rather than sorry. If everyone did their homework like you appear to be doing, we'd have to answer alot less questions.

[DS-COUSIN]

Originally posted by G-S
Recommended by who? I think you are missing my point. My point is this - there are NO facts that tren is liver/kidney toxic. Now, there are many theories, most of which are drummed up on these boards.

As for TheBouncer saying not to run tren longer than 8 weeks, last I knew he hadn't even tried Tren. So tell that big lug to stuff it in his ass. :D

DS, I'm not telling you what is safe and what isn't. You'll have to find that out for yourself. Remember, until a few years ago, all you could read on these boards was to "only use Dball to kickstart your cycle"...

See where I'm going with this? There are many experts when it comes to reading what someone types, remembering it, then spreading it out like they know wtf they are talking about every chance they get. I'm giving you my personal information. I've ran it many times, and at various lengths. So, take it for what it's worth.

But, I do agree with your approach of being safe rather than sorry. If everyone did their homework like you appear to be doing, we'd have to answer alot less questions.

G-S,

I agree with your point about conclusive studies not being able to prove the myth of TREN being liver/kidney toxic. I also agree with the theories drumbed up on these boards from so-called experts, but I'll stick with my safe than sorry theory.

The comment about D-boll, bump on that.

G-S, if everyone did their homework, there would be less sites like this. I am glad this site exists. Thanks for the compliment though and if I ever come across conclusive evidence in either direction about TREN, I will send it to you first and please do the same for me, B/C I love TREN too...

DS

[georgie24]

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[JuicedBeachBum]

I haven't made it to GH yet but...

gyno is caused by 4 things: estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and igf. If you get it from GH it would probably be from igf, although this is pretty rare especially at the dosage you're running it at. I doubt it's the GH alone, probably a combination of a few things. vitamin B6 can help w/ prolactin and nolva for estrogen.