pct help

[sandman]

as explained in previous threads i am starting a cycle soon,3 x shots of susanon a week for 12 weeks,what i am am strugling with is what anti estrogen to take and,i am thinking proviron while on course and clomid as a pct.i dont unerstand the difference between an anti estrogen while on a cycle and a pct such as clomid,help would be greatly apreciated,i need to know how much of each to take a day/week

[crombie09]

I just take .3 ldex ed throughout the cycle, this helps block Estrogen. Its pretty easy to understand. Your body is getting a lot more Test then normal so it tries to level things out and produces more Estrogen, so you take something to block the Estrogen to prevent gyno.

PCT - post cycle recovery simply helps your balls drop by helping your body start producing its own test again. When you take Test your body stops making its own which is why your balls dissapear.

Mine only went into hiding on my first cycle, since then they have stayed with me every other cycle.............wierd.

[sandman]

so could i take proviron throughout the cycle?then clomid after,you say your take 3 idex ed throughout cycle,is that a day. aweek,or just 3 times in the whole cycle?

[Skyefire]

proviron is my fav but it is comparitively exspencive Here is part of a FAQ I have been working on:

Note: SERM stands for selective estrogen-receptor modulators, a class of anti-estrogens that work by competing with the estrogen at the estrogen receptor sites. Aromatase inhibitors (AIs) are a class of anti-estrogens that work by preventing the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone and its derivatives to estrogen and its derivatives.

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate, Nolva) is SERM type anti-estrogen, the strongest of the fist generation. First off, if you only can afford or want one ancillary drug this is it. Nolvadex is not only one of the cheapest drugs ( an entire cycles worth can be had for less then 30 dollars) its the only drug proven to stop gynecomastia (gyno) and sometimes reverse it. It is also the single best defense against it. You should always have this drug on hand and at the least start using it if any symptoms of gynecomastia. However it is much better to run a small dose of Nolvadex throughout the cycle (10 to 20mg ed) to help reduce estrogen side affects and as a precautionary measure against gynecomastia. While it is rumored that Nolvadex will reduce your gains there no evidence that it does anything except reduce the amount of water that retain as a result of the excess estrogen caused primarily by the aromatase enzyme converting steroids to estrogens or there derivatives. This is one instance that an ounce of prevention is more then worth the pound of cure. The treatment dosage of Nolvadex for gynecomastia is around 60mg every day until symptoms subside.
Sense Nolvadex is a highly selective SERM type anti-estrogen it mainly targets the mammary glands, which in English means that Nolvadex competes with the estrogen to bind the receptors in the breast (hence the selective part). This it will help prevent/treat gynecomastia while allowing other necessary estrogen activity.
Nolvadex is also the preferred drug for post cycle therapy (PCT). Less sides and more effective then clomiphene citrate (clomid) It is commonly ran for 4 to 6 weeks after a cycle in a gradually reducing dosage. A simple PCT routine would be 40mg ed for two weeks then dropping the dosage down to 20mg every day for another 2 weeks.
Note: the half-life of Tamoxifen Citrate is about 6 day, but it does not follow the typical half life curve, rather it has a secondary peak after a couple of days as well as some troughs, still if you are using a less then pleasant tasting research chemical you don’t need to take it every day, every other day will do just fine. Ever third day is a little to long though. Just make sure the total dosage you take any one-day is less then 40mg because if you go above that the side affects become increasingly prominent. Side affects include hot flashes, nausea, numbness and blurred vision.

Clomiphene citrate (clomid) is another common (and cheap) SERM. However Clomid is not very effective as an anti-estrogen. Its primary use is for post cycle therapies. However due to the unwanted side affects of clomid and Nolvadex being more effective it is falling out of favor as PCT drug of choice. The sides are generally the same as Nolvadex with one glaring exception. Clomid acts like real estrogen in terms of affecting your emotions. In other words a 4-week PCT routine is like being menstrual for 4 weeks. The effective dosage for Clomid is 150 to 50mg ED. It has a half-life of around 5 days so every other day dosing is acceptable.

Letrozole (letro)is the most powerful Aromatase inhibitor generally available. It is useful primarily when use very large amounts oh highly aromatizatable steroids, large amounts of mythel-test, Methandrostenolone, and very large amounts of testosterone, especially testosterone base. Please note that Nolvadex and Letrozole cancel each other out at a rate of 40% and you must increase the dosage accordingly if you wish to run them together. Letrozole is not recommended for most cycle primarily due to its strength and side affects. Running even a minimal amount of Letrozole can result in estrogen levels dropping far to low, causing hot flashes, dizziness, and a highly compromised lipid profile. It can also affect your sexual functions. Effective dosages start at about 1mg every day, up to 4mg every day (no one but a cancer victim should run it at this level.

Anastrozole (Arimidex, ldex, Adex) is also a powerful aromatase inhibitor, but less so then letrozole. It is highly useful for reducing bloat caused by excess estrogen. Again it is too strong for most cycle however, anastrozole is effective in very small amounts so it can be used in moderation more easily then letorzole. Effective dosages start as low as .25mg every other day up to 1mg every day.

Mesterolone (Proviron) is a mild aromatase inhibitor that has some added benefits. It is a dihydrotestosterone derivative that is a all purpose type drug that is primarily prescribed nowadays to treat impotence and as a fertility drug. Another use is to enhance the effect of testosterone as frees it up. This does not work as good in practice as it does theory but it does work well with other mentholated items. Also running it with highly suppressive compounds (Nandrolone Decanoate, Trenbolone.) will prevent/cure impotence (deca-dick, fina-dick). This drug is especially effective as a anti-estrogen when combined with a small amount of nolvadex. Some should always be kept on hand for emergency (of the gender relations kind). This is a dihydrotestosterone derivative so the same sides apply, high blood pressure and the like. Please note that overuse of Proviron could cause a bad case of sexual over stimulation and in some cases continuous penis erection. In reality this is not funny and can require surgery to relive the erection. The effective dosages of proviron start at 25mg and range as high as 250, with 50mg being the standard dosage for most things.

[crombie09]

Originally posted by crombie09
I just take .3 ldex ed throughout the cycle

ed = every day

[beefcake]

Hey skyefire, good post. However, you wouldn't happen to have anything on aromasin (exemestane) would you? I keep getting conflicting info on the stuff. I don't know if a lot of it is BS just to justify the high price or what. Or does it just fall under the same category as adex?

[sandman]

think all my questions have been answered thanks everyone

[RUI-Products]

Letrozol is femera, which is an anti-estrogen.

Femara is 10-30x more effective than Arimidex in it's ability to pass thru the cell membrane of lipid (fat) cells and inhibit the activity of aromatase -- in other words, Femara is far superior in lowering estrogen levels in fat cells. This has two benefits for BBs; (1) Estrogen 'attracts' water, so less water retention (2) an average male BB is around 10%BF, that's a lot of lipid cells with aromatase inside them, so a substantial percentage of aromatase is left untouched by Arimidex due to it's poor ability to enter lipid cells Arimidex is approximately 80% effective at inhibiting aromatase, Femara is around 95-97%

notes:
1. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7
2. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1997 Nov-Dec;63(4-6):


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