Test only cycle vs. (adding deca)

[Stixs]

I got through a lot of reading today including the following link:
The Sane cycle : safe and effective use of steroids. Tried to do as much research and reading as possible. And get as much input from you guys as possible.

Before coming to this site a lot of people were telling me that you want as much from your first cycle as possible, but now i realize that a smart first cycle is better not more gear

So finally the question about Adding/Not Adding the Deca, what type of gains would a person be looking at if this Deca was included or not below are the two cycles I am trying to decide between. How much more of an increase would the deca add given diet and training is done properly. If done properly should I give the deca a shot for the first cycle or are the gains just not worth the addition.

At first I was going to do the following:CYCLE I
wks 1-4 25mg Dbol per day
wks 1-10 400mg Teston In Ol Cypionate(once a week)
wks 1-10 300mg Deca (once a week)
PCT(Clomid starting week 12)


Now after researching I am considering this for first Cycle:
wks 1-4 25mg Dbol per day
wks 1-10 400mg Teston In Ol Cypionate(once a week)
PCT(Clomid starting week 11)


Thanks

[Chadd77]

You're second choice looks good. You could run it for 12 weeks if you'd like but 10 weeks would be a very effective first cycle too. Good to see people are doing some research ahead of time. Make sure to run anti e's. Epically in the first 4 weeks w/ the dbol. Looks good brother. Keep us updated.

[Severedties]

I would do the test injections twice a week. With cyp that is the best option.

[therock]

The 2nd looks good. But you might want to think of dropping the dbol and running test and decca. The dbol is way more toxic then decca. I also think you will be more happy with the decca in the long run then w/ dbol. You lose most your gains from dbol but I garentee with a good diet you wont lose anything off of decca. Dont get me wron you can keep your size off dbol with a very good diet but the strength you gain, you dont keep all that. I love them both but I wouldnt run both on your first cycle. Just choose one. Keep the test!

[Stixs]

Thanks for the help guys. Yes I have been really been debating on the usage of deca. I want to do my first cycle the best way possible. The only reason i was considering the deca is because I have had shoulder surgery and in the past had torn a ligament in my elbow. I am really concerned about muscles growing at a faster pace than the tendons etc.

This was the only site that has been pretty up front about first cycles not sure why so many people push the deca. And you guys here have been pretty conservative about what first timers should which me equates into very knowledgable members.

[ROCKETW19]

i also like test only for a first cycle. this way you will know exactly what the test does or dosent do if you had two or more drugs you wouldnt know what was what. good luck!

[INTIMID8OR]

For a first cycle keep it simple ...Do a test only cycle with 2 injections a week ....With 400 to 500mgs a week and a good diet you'll be happy with the results....Keep us posted ;)

[ROCKETW19]

whats up intimid8tor? check your e-mail.

[r_deese]

The only reason I would say to use the deca is to help support your joints. Deca increases collagen synthesis which keeps you from hurting your joints as easily. It's up to you. You'll see great results on just the test if you so choose.