Would like some advice!

[thabandplayson]

Alright im 16 years old live in texas and play football. Im 6'0 180lbs and probley about 18% body fat. I made the varsity team as a softmore at one of the better schools in west texas. I really need to put on some mass. Ive been lifting hard since i was 12. I play defencive line and am very undersized but very quick and strong for a softmore. Im having a lot of trouble staying at 180 or gaining any extra weight.My diet is very good and i eat all all the time and highquality protein 3 times a day. I have taken M-1-T and 1 AD and 4 AD in the past as my dads idea. My dad is my personal trainer and has helped me a lot ( My best friends mom and dad were body builders and own a gym). He knows a lot about lifting and knows a little bit about AAS. Now your probley getting the idea that im some teenager that is gonna go out and shoot up 2000 mg of test a week for 6 months along with 50 mgs of d-bol a day and just for fun 150mg of anadrol. NO. but me and my dad have talked it over and he has nothing really against me using AAS eventually. Not this year though probley the summer before my senior year. My dad is 5'6 and my mom is 5'3 so i really dont see me getting much taller. Would it hurt me that bad if i did a cycle this summer.
I was thinking about something like 250 mg of Sustanon for weeks 1-10, 300 mg of Deca weeks 1-10, 20 mg of D-Bol weeks 1-4, 10mg of Novladex week 1-12, 100mg of Clomid week 13-14. Would that be adiquite for a first time cycle. Whether im 17 or 25. Now all of you are gonna tell me im a dumbass but its something that ive eventually going to do and my dad doest have a problem with it. He will be the one that gives me the injections more than likely. So you dont have to help me but i would appriciate it. Like i said it is something that i probley wont do for another year and a half. I have done a lot of research on AAS over the last 6 months and since i dont feel i have the chance of getting much taller the benefits outweight the risks.

Also would it be safe to take the mexican steroids such as Denkall, Brovel, and Tornel? Are they safe for Human use?

Will it slow me speed down alot if i am hammering legs like i usually do? ( 25 sets for quads, 10 for hamstrings and pulling a sled)

Is the stack i mentioned above to strong or weak?

Would taking Anavar this year and waiting my senior year for the major stuff such as Test and Deca hurt me? Ive heard that Anavar and actually promote growth in children.

Like i said before you are probley agaisnt my ideas but i hope u respect them and i hope you will answer my questions cause its not like i go out like most teens do and buy steriods and take them like candy without working out and my Dad does not have a problem with it. So if you could help me or give me your advice i would greatly appriciate it.

[shortz]

First, let me welcome you to the baord. Second, I would like to ask if you know what your user name really means? It is a very popular book written about AIDS and how it spread through the gay community. Sorry, just thought I would let you know before someone makes a comment you don't understand.

Anyway, back to the question. I would like to speak to your father and ask him why he feels he should put his son's sports in front of his health. Steroids are not totally safe and the earlier you use them, the more you will depend on them to make gains. You body is making a tremendous amount of test, so you could make great gains.

You want to know what I feel is the problem? Your father is a BBer, you are not. Your training should be totally different than his. You can get amazing strength with the right program. In fact, I just came up with a program for another high school football player. The program can be adjusted with experience, considering one has movements that you will need to learn over time so you don't get hurt.

Let me know if you are interested in this alternative route.

[Slashmonay]

id say if your already messing around with M1T, your hormones are already screwed up, so if you want to go for a cycle this summer, go for it.

[toobig]

At his age, training like a bodybuilder is not a bad idea. bodybuilding pretty much covers his whole body, and there is NO need for more advanced training technigues for a 16 year old. Hell, half of the NFL players arent that advanced of lifters.

About the juice. I have freinds and know plenty of people who started when they were 15 or 16. I dont advise this, though. I would give it a few more years, and maybe once your graduate, give it a go. Anavar is fine, and wont cuase you too many sides, i think that would be a decent first cycle for a young person, at about 25mg a day or so.

about test, i wouldnt recommend sust at that dose for one main reason, With sust you need to shoot it EOD to get the full benifits from the combonations of esters, becuase of the 2 short acting esters in it. Using sust in this manner is VERY effective, and will keep the most constant blood levels VS. taking it once a week. If you gonna take test once a week, go with cypionate or Enanthate.

Deca would be a great drug to stack with long acting test, i think this is a very good stack, and one of the most popular of people i know. 200-300mg a week is fine, some people go up to crazy amounts of deca, but thats really not neccesary. 300mg a week will be enough to give you the postive effects on your joints, and enough to aid in muscle gains.

here are my thoughts on Dbol. IMHO, unless you are a competitive powerlifter, you dont need DBOL. and i think its a crappy way to kick off a cycle. A much better option IMO would be to either front load your long acting test for 2 weeks...say 1000mg for 2 weeks, then back off to 500mg for the remainder of the cycle. OR, and this is my favorite option, Take Test Prop as a kick start for your cycle, 150mg EOD, for the first 2-3 weeks.

Ten weeks is a decent length for a cycle, but i would prefer a longer cycle myself, in the 12-16 week range. but for a first cycle 10 weeks would be fine.

heres what i would have you do

weeks 1-3 Test Prop 150mg EOD
weeks 1-10 Test Enanthate (or Cyp) 500mg a week
weeks 1-10 Deca 300mg/week

I dont think your a dumbass for seeking advice about this subject, i realize that its something your gonna do, and its GREAT that your researching some first, and not jumping right into the fire, like ALOT of people do.

A couple final thoughts about aas...

1. You dont need TONS of gear, of TONS of different types of gear. Test, and an anabolic like Deca, or EQ, is really all you need, and will serve you well.

2. Gear is ALOT like training, work hard and youll be happy with your results. Dont rely on gear to make your gains, YOU make your gains for yourself, just think of AAS as a tool, much like sleep, diet, and hard training.

3. Diet, this is not only important for body composition and making the most of your gains, But often times people over look the HEALTH aspect of proper diet while on AAS. A good diet will go along way in controlling your Blood pressure, Cholesterol, and any edema you may have. These are a few critical things to keep tabs on if your going to use, and keep using aas.

4. Be careful who you talk to, and who you let know that you use aas. If you dont trust somone, they dont need to know. Its sounds like your dad will be your number on confidant.

[thabandplayson]

Alright thanks Shortz. Anyways my father loves me as much as any father loves his son. It was more my idea for the AAS. My dad said the summer before my senior year which is a year and a half away. It was my idea mainly becuase my best friend is on them I think. His parents were both body builders and he gained 20 lbs of muscle in a month. I had always been as stong in bench and stronger in squat. And his bench went up 30 lbs and his squat went up 80 in a month. Anyways is the M-1-T really that bad for me? If it is i already f***ed up. His parents were the ones that told me and my dad the 1AD would be ok. Then another bodybuilder told us that the m1t was the same as 1AD but the test just didnt get destroyed in the liver

[thabandplayson]

Thanks TooBig. Like i said it will probley be something that i will wait another 2 years for but Im trying to learn as much about it as i can right now. Thanks for the advice on the anavar is the m1t is as bad for you as somepeople are making it sound i may just take that this summer instead of the M-1-T. I also have a product made by Gaspari Nutrition called Oxavar that is sposed to be similar to anavar. Have u heard anything on it.

[thabandplayson]

The screenname is reference to a Texas Country song by Blue Edmondson.

[Cmsmallzz]

Originally posted by thabandplayson
Alright thanks Shortz. Anyways my father loves me as much as any father loves his son. It was more my idea for the AAS. My dad said the summer before my senior year which is a year and a half away. It was my idea mainly becuase my best friend is on them I think. His parents were both body builders and he gained 20 lbs of muscle in a month. I had always been as stong in bench and stronger in squat. And his bench went up 30 lbs and his squat went up 80 in a month. Anyways is the M-1-T really that bad for me? If it is i already f***ed up. His parents were the ones that told me and my dad the 1AD would be ok. Then another bodybuilder told us that the m1t was the same as 1AD but the test just didnt get destroyed in the liver

Not to burst your bubble Bro, but probably more than 10lbs of that 20 your firend gained was water. A gain of 20lbs of raw skeletal muscle in one month is impossible IMO, even for a frist cycle.

[toobig]

Originally posted by thabandplayson
Thanks TooBig. Like i said it will probley be something that i will wait another 2 years for but Im trying to learn as much about it as i can right now. Thanks for the advice on the anavar is the m1t is as bad for you as somepeople are making it sound i may just take that this summer instead of the M-1-T. I also have a product made by Gaspari Nutrition called Oxavar that is sposed to be similar to anavar. Have u heard anything on it.

I would skip the M-1-T if you can get var, var is FAR superior, but costs WAY more.

The main reason to avoid M1T is liver toxicity. M1T is HIGHLY liver toxic, more so than halotestin. Thats why its recomended to only take for 2 weeks at a time, and only 20mg a day.

Var, has been shown in some cases to actually help the liver, even though it is a 17aa. Var, was originally designed to be giving to Children and women, and the sides are very minimal, in most cases the only sides youll notice are the good ones, strenght and a lil size. I forget the reason, but Var works synergistically with Creatine, so taking the two together would be great.


Oxavar, i would skip, in most cases if its legal its crap as far as prohormones go. The only exception is M1T, but thats not a prohormone, its an active steroid. BUt if you already have it, try it out and see how you like it.

[joe bigboy]

i personally think steroids at that age is a real bad idea, at age 16 and 17 your natural test levels are already high as hell so it should be easy to gain muscle and strength. if you're not gaining then i'd look into how i was eating and training to make sure everything there was in check. just my 2 cents......

[shortz]

Originally posted by thabandplayson
Alright thanks Shortz. Anyways my father loves me as much as any father loves his son. It was more my idea for the AAS. My dad said the summer before my senior year which is a year and a half away. It was my idea mainly becuase my best friend is on them I think. His parents were both body builders and he gained 20 lbs of muscle in a month. I had always been as stong in bench and stronger in squat. And his bench went up 30 lbs and his squat went up 80 in a month. Anyways is the M-1-T really that bad for me? If it is i already f***ed up. His parents were the ones that told me and my dad the 1AD would be ok. Then another bodybuilder told us that the m1t was the same as 1AD but the test just didnt get destroyed in the liver

I don't doubt for a second that your father loves you bro. I was just stating that hopefully he is aware that by allowing you to do something like this, that there are health ramifications that he too will have to deal with if something were to happen.

Originally posted by toobig
At his age, training like a bodybuilder is not a bad idea. bodybuilding pretty much covers his whole body,

I agree, but I also disagree. BBers are mainly looking for mass and strength is a benefit. Strength training is a little different and it appears he is looking for strength. Muscles themselves take about 5-7 days to recover, where as the CNS recovers differently and this is why a strength routine is going to be different.

Many HS kids train the wrong way, especially for sports. BTW, when I said advanced, I meant movements like Hang cleans, Power cleans and other movements that may not be good for a novice lifter. Yes, football players do these movements.

[thabandplayson]

Yeah i got u shortz. I understand as much as he does the health compilcations that go along with AAS. He wont pressure me if i decide that i want to then he will most likely let me but i seriously doubt he will let me for another year and a half or 2 years.

As far as my workout routine here a sample: ( this is my leg work out)

warm up
Squats:
3x8@75%
1x5@85
1x3@90
1x2@95
1x1@100 ( i occasionaly wrap during powerlifting on heavey sets)
1x10@60

Squat Jumps or Front Squats
3x15

Flat Leg Press:
4x8

Powercleans/ Deadlift ( switch EOW)
4x8@70%(cleans)
(4 sets of Deadlifts weight & reps vary)


Leg Extensions
4x8

Hamstring Curls
6x10

Sled w/ 150 lbs

20 - 20 yard bursts

4x 15 standing calve raises
3x12 seated calves

thats my leg work out
upper body is more body building except most press movements are low rep high weight

[shortz]

Well, I can see already where you are going wrong. Deads/cleans and squats all in the same day is hell on the body and you are most likely not pushing yourself like you should be. Also, why do heavy on the squats? You are looking for over all strength and speed, so a higher rep range is where you're going to find that with legs. As far as upper body, you may want to go a little heavier than you will with legs.

Kill the leg extensions and cut back your ham curls to 3 sets.

During the season, you really need to cut that volume back. You are already doing sled work and sprints, which can tremendously increase strenght in the legs. plus, it's so easy to over train during the season. In season football training should only be about 2 days worth of lifting, the rest of the week is doing stuff on the field. PLEASE TRUST ME!

Now, off season is the time to gain strength. You can lift 4 days a week if you are training properly.

[shortz]

I didn't see those other leg presses...cut those out too. With some higher rep leg training, you shouldn't need any of that other stuff. Hit me up with a PM if you want to figure out a routine.

[Shibby]

Even though you got what you wanted to hear from some one, you still shouldn't be considering it. Your just coming into your natural ablity to increase nicely. You should really post your diet in the nutrition section to see where that can be fixed. You shouldn't compare yourself to your friend. It's not a competition between you and him, it's a competition with your self. I can tell just by your leg workout your overtrainig. Which indicates your doing good, but not to the extent you think you are.