Not sure if this belongs here

[JUICE]

Well this is whats happend. I did a 16 week cycle of the first 10 weeks of test-e 600mgs and then the final 6 weeks i used Prop for 100mgs eod.

I went up to 224 while on the Test-e. Which most was water too. When I started using the Prop, the diet changed a bit and started doing more cardio. I did it 3-4 times a week for 20-30 minutes. Well I started noticing a weight drop but my size was still the same. I was at 220 by week 14 and then 218 by week 15 and so on.

Im currently on PCT right now, I dropped the cardio to 2 times per week, 20 minutes only since i got a fast metabolism. I burn fat quick. My waist went from a 36-38 to a 33-34. I feel better about myself and all but was SHOCKED today when I got on the scale. I READ 208. I was like WTF. I've never dropped weight so fast. I still feel the same size and all but somethings weird there.


I was thinking to myself 1) either had FAKE Prop cause when I was taking it during sex my dick would go soft on me and all
or
2) My PCT Nolvadex aint doing it for me. Im using around 50-60mgs for 2 weeks then going for 20mgs for another 2 weeks. Im about to go to 20mgs on Tuesday (2 weeks into my PCT).


Yeah im leaner than Ive always been, feel good about it too, but wondering what was what I lost. It just happend so fast.
Any thoughts on this one guys.

[Stonecold54]

I would say to hard to tell without an accurate bodyfat% machine.

[Cmsmallzz]

What brand of prop was it? Have you lost any strength along with the wieght...if not then it probably wasn't much muscle. That has happened to me int the past when running cycles where I retain a lot of water. How much did you weight before the cycle...because it was probably the water wieght that you dropped, especially if you weren't trunning an AI. I have gone from 230 to 210 in the matter of 3 weeks into PCT and it was all water. I know my PCT went well because I didn't feel I lost any muscle mass and strength only increased while into PCT. But then again I'm not confident in using nolvadex exclusively for a PCT...I'd rather run clomid with it. I've just read too much info regarding nolvadex and it's effects at increasing LH production and am not comvinced it can do the job of cloimd although I think it helps. I agree with hitmansb in that they work synergisticlly. Read this thread below has more on the subject...

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=20464

[JUICE]

Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
What brand of prop was it?

I was taking Brovel Testosterona 200 at first for 10 weeks, that shit was the real deal cause I easily put on weight. Then I bought the Prop.

The Prop I bought was QV Prop, Im not sure of the batch number was #008 2006 (forgot the month). I threw away the bottles.
I had bought the Prop in Mexico, from another source not my usual guy I go to.

Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
Have you lost any strength along with the wieght...if not then it probably wasn't much muscle. That has happened to me int the past when running cycles where I retain a lot of water.

In strength, no. Im doing much more on my legs, shoulders, chest , basically everything. Was doing 315 for reps on squats, went up to 370 while on PCT. Leg presses went up to 820 from 700 something.

Im hoping its water bro, cause ive lost alot on my gut area. People see my stomach smaller as where they used to call it a monster truck tire.

Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
How much did you weight before the cycle...because it was probably the water wieght that you dropped, especially if you weren't trunning an AI. I have gone from 230 to 210 in the matter of 3 weeks into PCT and it was all water. I know my PCT went well because I didn't feel I lost any muscle mass and strength only increased while into PCT. But then again I'm not confident in using nolvadex exclusively for a PCT...I'd rather run clomid with it. I've just read too much info regarding nolvadex and it's effects at increasing LH production and am not comvinced it can do the job of cloimd although I think it helps.

Check it out, before the cycle I was 210 (June 2004). By July I was around 220. In August I was about 224-228, ranging, up and down. Guess too much food in me and liquids. When I started Prop, I started doing cardio and eating leaner. I basically kept my size, started getting more vascular and vienier. My strength was ok.

Hey man, u know whats weird while on Prop I couldnt preform on the bed with my girl. I would go limp. A week into my pct, all changed, me and the woman have no probelm now.


I was also wondering of this, since i was at 600mgs of test-e, could have the prop taking it at 400mgs a week , make a difference.

[Cmsmallzz]

I hear you Bro...it's tough mentally to deal with losing that kind of weight so fast, but over the years I've learned not to use my weight as the primary measure of where I'm at in the gym. I would bet money that you didn't lose hardly any raw muscle and most of it was water and fat. As far as the prop...it sounds like it may have been way underdosed. Probably not fake. At 400mg per week you definately should have had more of a sex drive. I find it easy to feel if prop is working...usually within days I feel a whole new level of intensity in the gym. You aren't the first person I've heard that complained about QV prop not working. I used their prop about 3 years ago and it was an awesome product but now it sounds like that company gets worse by the week.