m1t vs. dball

[Cmsmallzz]

Originally posted by spidey
I am another one who gets much better results from M1T than dbol. On my last real cycle, I did 8 weeks of dbol at 35 mg ed along with test prop and fina. I gained about 15 lbs total from that cycle and lost 8 lbs the week I went off; all water. I did get nearly unbearable pumps and a lot of strength from the dbol but lost all the strength after I went off.

On the other hand, I gained 10 lbs from a 3 week cycle of 15 mg ed M1T and only lost 2 lbs after the cycle. Moreover, I didn't need any PCT as I wasn't shut down at all.

Summary: 0 real weight gain fom dbol. 8 lbs (in less than half the time and with 2.5 times less dosage) from M1T.

Temporary strength gain from dbol. Permanent (albeit a little less) strength gains from M1T.

Acne and hairloss from dbol. No acne or hairloss from M1T.

I have done one other M1T cycle (just finished actually). I gained another 8 lbs. I increased the dosage to 20 mg ed for 4 weeks this time and have come to the conclusion it isn't necessary. At the higher dosage, I did experience some acne and shutdown as well as bad insomnia and some lethargy. I had a hard time eating the amounts of food I needed to. My appetite took a big hit. All that and I got the same results as the lighter cycle.

From now on, no more than 15 mg ed for me and for no longer than 3 weeks.

That's interesting Bro...Not doubting your results but we all know everyone reacts different to different substances. Did you feel like you needed a PCT the second time around with the m1t bro?

[YellowJacket]

A dbol only cycle is like sucking tit through a sweater, anyone who runs a dbol only cycle must have gotten bunk advice.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
That's interesting Bro...Not doubting your results but we all know everyone reacts different to different substances. Did you feel like you needed a PCT the second time around with the m1t bro?

Yes, I think so. My sex drive really went south on this one. I am in the middle of my nolva PCT regimin now and my labido is just starting to get back to normal.

[spidey]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
A dbol only cycle is like sucking tit through a sweater, anyone who runs a dbol only cycle must have gotten bunk advice.

Just clarifying. I was also running test prop and fina. the dbol was just the normal jump-starter. The thing is, my gains came really slowly over the course of that cycle with only 8 lbs gained in the first 8 weeks. After the dbol was over, my gains excellerated a little and I gained another 7 lbs over the next 4 weeks (still slow). I lost 8 lbs the first week I was off; water weight I guess. I did hold on to the 7 lbs but that isn't a lot to show for a 12 week cycle.

[therock]

Good for you spidey on the m1t. But looks like you need to learn how to keep your gains bro. I have done 3 cycles and never lost a dramatic size after getting off. Last cycle was a dbol, sust, and decca cycle. I got up to 194lbs off that one and only went down to 190lbs. Then 2 months later going all natural I got back up to 194lbs. So it just seems to me that you either didnt train as hard when you did the dbol or your nutrition was better when you did the m1t then when you did the dbol. Cause I find it hard to believe that an anabolic that on a scale from 1-100 is at 90 is going to get beat from a over the counter supplement. If anyone agrees or disagrees please post cause I think we have a pretty good thread going here.

[YellowJacket]

Disagree, and although Spidey and I have had our difference, Im going with him on this one and Im going to bet, he's knowledge in this area far exceeds your's.

If you consider a substance weak simply because its OTC, you have a lot to learn.

[Matt76]

I am just going to thow this in. I'm on week 3 of my M1T cycle and let's just say I have hit PR's every week, and my weight is up and so is my endurance.

However, I am having some sides, Lower back pain, acne, joint pain, feeling tired all the time, yet not being able to fall asleep at night, and I get cotton mouth also.

But I don't care b/c I am pushing some serious weight around the gym right now so I can't complain. i'll give a couple examples

2weeks ago I was doing seated db military press- 95'sx7 not bad
one week later I did the 100'sx7 almost 8

Last week did flat db bench with the 130'sx3 felt like I had one or two reps left in the tank. This week I did the 130'sx7 and it felt like I had a few reps left in the tank. I just don't like going to failure on these so I don't overtrain.

I don't know about you guys but I think that shows some good results

[therock]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Disagree, and although Spidey and I have had our difference, Im going with him on this one and Im going to bet, he's knowledge in this area far exceeds your's.

If you consider a substance weak simply because its OTC, you have a lot to learn.

Ok first off, never said because a product is OTC that it doesnt work bro. Check out my adenergy and thermogain posts. I think those products are badass and I also think M1T is badass too but to compare it to dbol now that is where I say no way. I dont know what these people are taking when they do take dbol. Cause I have never heard of anyone taking it and not gaining. If you cant gain at least 10-15lbs off dbol combined w/ test or something else then either your diet or your genes suck plain and simple. Also for some people that have already said that dbols weight gain is mostly water thats where you are wrong too. Cause dbol is very Carbolic and anabolic that means that it has a badass cutting effect! Meaning that if you take it the right way with the right diet you gain all that 15lbs and most of it be solid but not a lot of people take it the right way and thats why people lose all their gains. Now with M1T I dont know that much as far as what its effects are but I do know that a lot of people are saying that their gains are water.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by therock
If you cant gain at least 10-15lbs off dbol combined w/ test or something else then either your diet or your genes suck plain and simple.

Whoa whoa, Id hope youd gain 10-15lbs when combined with test. We're talking a head to head comparison. M1t to dbol, not m1t to dbol and test. M1t alone will do 10lbs, given diet and training is in order, and I wouldnt doubt dbol alone would do the same, difference is you wont keep 10lbs or close to that when you come off dbol. M1t is an anabolic steroid, whether anyone likes it or not.

Also for some people that have already said that dbols weight gain is mostly water thats where you are wrong too. Cause dbol is very Carbolic and anabolic that means that it has a badass cutting effect! Meaning that if you take it the right way with the right diet you gain all that 15lbs and most of it be solid but not a lot of people take it the right way and thats why people lose all their gains. Now with M1T I dont know that much as far as what its effects are but I do know that a lot of people are saying that their gains are water.

Not sure what you mean by Carbolic, I only know of Carbolic acid.....

[diplomats]

M1T

I think that THEROCK might be a very good tester in trying out M1T to see if it really lives up the hype, since he has aas experience.

[diplomats]

M1T

Actually i spent quite sometime yesterday researching the M1T on some other forums. I have come to find out that even some ex-steriod users said that they think the M1T can rival most AAS. with gains anywere from 10 to 15 pounds in three weeks. of course you will gain water weight, but it is to a minimal. Although it is kind of hard on the liver but milk thisle, ala will help with that.


there is another compound i read about on planet muscle called
MDHT which is methyl dht this compound is suppose to be stronger that masteron. Has anyone heard of them?

[spidey]

Originally posted by therock
Good for you spidey on the m1t. But looks like you need to learn how to keep your gains bro. I have done 3 cycles and never lost a dramatic size after getting off. Last cycle was a dbol, sust, and decca cycle. I got up to 194lbs off that one and only went down to 190lbs. Then 2 months later going all natural I got back up to 194lbs. So it just seems to me that you either didnt train as hard when you did the dbol or your nutrition was better when you did the m1t then when you did the dbol. Cause I find it hard to believe that an anabolic that on a scale from 1-100 is at 90 is going to get beat from a over the counter supplement. If anyone agrees or disagrees please post cause I think we have a pretty good thread going here.

That was the only cycle in which I lost significant weight afterwards. It was also the only time I ran dbol. My diet was heavy on calories but too heavy on carbs and fat too so I picked up some BF. My training has not changed very much; still a 4 day split with the heaviest weights I can complete a set with. I don't really know what the deal was with that cycle, I just couldn't seem to grow.

As far as M1T comparison to dbol (or any other AAS), just because it is OTC (a fact getting ready to change shortly) doesn't say anything about it's strength or effectiveness. The two things are completely unrelated. M1T is significantly more anabolic and androgenic than dbol. That is just a scientific fact. I know people who don't respond to ANY AAS. They seem completely immune. One guy I know took 75 mg dbol plus 150 mg ed fina plus 200 mg ed test prop for 12 weeks and didn't gain an OZ even though his diet was on (4500+ cals with >300 g protein) and his training was religious. I tested his gear myself (and used some of the same batch and made incredible gains) so his gear was not bunk; he is just AAS resistant. My point is: Not everyone can gain on dbol or any other aas.

[spidey]

Re: M1T

Originally posted by diplomats
Actually i spent quite sometime yesterday researching the M1T on some other forums. I have come to find out that even some ex-steriod users said that they think the M1T can rival most AAS. with gains anywere from 10 to 15 pounds in three weeks. of course you will gain water weight, but it is to a minimal. Although it is kind of hard on the liver but milk thisle, ala will help with that.


there is another compound i read about on planet muscle called
MDHT which is methyl dht this compound is suppose to be stronger that masteron. Has anyone heard of them?

Methyl DHT is mestanolone. I think it should mostly be an androgenic AAS and not a mass builder. Potential for good strength gains without the added mass. I don't know anything about it's toxicity.

[SkUnky33]

hmmm interesting thread

[therock]

M1T is significantly more anabolic and androgenic than dbol. That is just a scientific fact.
Hey Spidey please show me something that proves this statement is true. Dbol is a 90 on that scale. Anadrol is a 98. So you are telling me that M1T is the 2nd most anabolic in the world?