Doesn't sound right

[Mr. Smith]

someone gave me this as a cycle but it does not go along with anything I have read on this site.

45mg whinny ed for weeks 1 thru 10 (oral tabs)
50mg of prop e3d for weeks 1 thru 4
100mg Aquatest eod for weeks 5 thru 10

PCT

Now I thought that tabs for whinny 45mg ED was a little much on the liver.
I also thought that prop was 100mg to 150mg eod not 50mg every 3rd day.
Also I was never told how long of a ester was used with Aquatest.

This was what "my guy" told me to do. I questioned the low test for the first 4 weeks and he said that it was because of the whinny. Now the Whinny is boarder line too much/too long so any opinions are welcome.

I also have 25ml of test e 250 laying around from my first cycle so I could use that in conjuction with the prop/aquatest and whinny.

This will be my second cycle and it will be 10 weeks since my previous cycle.

34yrs old 220 bf 16% 5'6" diet is inline

[hitmansb]

Your 'guy' doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. That, or he just wants to get rid of some particular items in his stock, so he went ahead and threw them together into a cycle for you.

Test Prop should be taken every other day, not every third day, at 100mg.

Doing suspension every other day is going to cause you to have peaks and valleys in your test levels, which is never ideal; test suspension should be taken every day (or if you can tolerate frequent injects, dividing the dose into two shots per day...one upon waking and then again 8 hours later is even better). Use 50mg of aquatest every day, not 100mg EOD.

Oral winny should not be run for more than 6 weeks IMO, due to liver stress.

There's nothing wrong with doing a test and winny cycle, but it just doesn't make sense the way your 'guy' has laid it out. Discuss what your goals are for this cycle, and we'll be able to design you something better.

[spidey]

I don't know what ester is on aquatest but unless it is acetate or prop, 100 mg eod is a low dose. Test prop at 50 mg e3d is rediculous IMO; too low as well. Winny (or any other oral) for 10 weeks is ill advised; too hard on the liver. Winny will also dry out your joints and may cause joint pain.

If you're looking for a test/winny cycle, I would go with one of the following two cycles:

weeks 1-6: 50 mg winny ed
weeks 1-2: 50 mg ed test prop (or 100 mg eod)+250 mg test enan ew
weeks 3-12: 542 mg test enan ew (2.17 mL)
weeks 14-16: PCT

OR

Do the same cycle but put the winny on the back 6 weeks and adjust diet to help you cut.

The reasoning behind my suggestions is: Put the short acting prop in the front 2 weeks to get you going faster. When the enan starts kicking in (about 2 weeks), you can switch totally to the enan (or keep running the prop). Use the winny as a kickstart (front 6 weeks) or as a cutting aid (last 6 weeks). The odd looking volume of test enan (2.17 mL) is just the 2 mL you save the first 2 weeks by using prop, spread out and added to 2 mL per week to use up your 25 mL in the 12 week cycle.

I don't know what the aquatest is so I don't have any suggestions for it.

You should have all of your ancillaries in hand before you start. Have your nolva, clomid, letro, etc.

Anyone else have suggestions?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally posted by spidey


You should have all of your ancillaries in hand before you start. Have your nolva, clomid, letro, etc.

Anyone else have suggestions?

I have all my ancillaries on hand already. I have too much Nolva because I was going to run it during cycle to be safe but after listening to some vets on this board I ran without if for awhile to see if I needed it and I am good so far.

I will post a link to my first cycle and my training/diet. In this post I took everyones sugestions so the workout and a couple of other points were modified.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=21025

My goals are to put on as much LBM in 10 weeks (safely). However much that is I have no idea.

I have on hand

500 BD whinny 5mg tabs
25ml of Test E 250(QV) 250mg/1ml
30ml of Aquatest (DK) 100mg/1ml
40ml samsil testo Prop 50mg/1ml

Now the important stuff. I have 12 dozen eggs, 16 sirlon steaks, 6 jars Natty peanutbutter, 12 bags frozen chicken breasts, 20lbs of ground sirlon, 15lbs of ground turkey, 4 gallons vanilla icecream. I am also getting a half of cow from my buddy in mid-december.

I need help putting together a cycle that won't risk my health or waste my time or money.

I have read a little bit in the description section on Aquatest but not enough to learn how long the ester is.

[Mr. Smith]

I am also aware of the fact that my source does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. Aside from that the gear he gets is legit and yes he is screwing me on the price but what can I do. I just come here for help and keep going to work so I can pay for it.
I am still on the last few weeks of my frist cycle so I am just getting everthing together for next Feb.

[spidey]

I think aquatest may just be suspension; no ester. I personally am not a big fan of suspension. The half life is too short for it to be effective. I have a chemistry paper from the 60's that measured test susp as only 26% as androgenic and 35% as anabolic as test prop when injected into rats. I believe the relative half lives of test base and test prop are mostly to blame for that disparagment. I would stick with the test prop.

[spidey]

At 5'6" and 220, you are already a pretty big guy so you probably could even increase the test dosage a bit from my suggestions. I would keep more of the short acting test prop at the beginning and taper it a little over the first couple weeks while tapering up the test enan to arrive at a final test dose (combined) of maybe 750 mg ew.

[Mr. Smith]

So I guess I am just screwed this time. Live and learn. If I can get him to take back the Aqua test I am. I told him I wanted a stronger formula for the Prop cuz 3ml eod was too much for me so wtf is he giving me suspension that needs to be inj. twice a day for?? I am so PISSED OFF.

[Mr. Smith]

Well get this now my ex source is pissed cuz he thinks I don't know shit and am giving him a hard time so no more source. Great way to start my weekend shoulda never got outta bed.

[spidey]

Damn gym sources, LOL. I think he is just pissed. I bet in a week or two, he'll still take your money. Just be sure about what you want before you order. I can understand his angst. This isn't like buying a newspaper on the corner; this is illegal and the more contact you have with him, the more risk it puts both he and you. I would wager most sources have a no return policy. If you don't know what it is and how to use it, don't order it.

Most prop I have seen is dosed at 100 mg/mL.

[shiko24]

Originally posted by Mr. Smith
So I guess I am just screwed this time. Live and learn. If I can get him to take back the Aqua test I am. I told him I wanted a stronger formula for the Prop cuz 3ml eod was too much for me so wtf is he giving me suspension that needs to be inj. twice a day for?? I am so PISSED OFF.

no offence but the one you should be pissed off at is the guy who looks back at you in the mirror I only say this because it sounds like you know about as much on gear as your "source" does I researched for 2 years yes 2 full years befor I ever bought or started a cycle I knew as much as there was to know about what esters I wanted and what dosages and how long I was going to be on
you should have been a little more on top of what you wanted befor you went off and just bought up some stuff from this guy

next time know what you are talking about and what you want befor you hand over any money

[Mr. Smith]

Originally posted by shiko24
no offence but the one you should be pissed off at is the guy who looks back at you in the mirror I only say this because it sounds like you know about as much on gear as your "source" does I researched for 2 years yes 2 full years befor I ever bought or started a cycle I knew as much as there was to know about what esters I wanted and what dosages and how long I was going to be on
you should have been a little more on top of what you wanted befor you went off and just bought up some stuff from this guy

next time know what you are talking about and what you want befor you hand over any money

Listen Bro I knew what I wanted.... 10 weeks of prop and whinny.
He suggested the AquaTest said it was the shit and what he would do. I guess I heard the mg/ml and said yeah that's better Aqua=Water probally water-based....but I was wrong.

Point is he still thinks that whinny for 10 weeks is cool....prop 50mg every third day is good and test suspension eod is alright too. So he is pissed at me for not wanting to do it. I'll stick to getting advice from Vets who know what their talking about and don't post on my thread patting their own backs for never making a mistake.

[Mr. Smith]

anyway thanks Spidey I think I will go with one of the cycles you suggested. It was what I was going to do anyway just double checking first. Oh and I know your secret...... Your avatar is wolverine not spiderman hehe.

[Severedties]

Originally posted by Mr. Smith
anyway thanks Spidey I think I will go with one of the cycles you suggested. It was what I was going to do anyway just double checking first. Oh and I know your secret...... Your avatar is wolverine not spiderman hehe.

...WTF?

[shiko24]

Originally posted by Mr. Smith
Listen Bro I knew what I wanted.... 10 weeks of prop and whinny.
He suggested the AquaTest said it was the shit and what he would do. I guess I heard the mg/ml and said yeah that's better Aqua=Water probally water-based....but I was wrong.

Point is he still thinks that whinny for 10 weeks is cool....prop 50mg every third day is good and test suspension eod is alright too. So he is pissed at me for not wanting to do it. I'll stick to getting advice from Vets who know what their talking about and don't post on my thread patting their own backs for never making a mistake.

if knowing what I was doing and having the research to back it up is patting myself on the back so be it

you posted a thread that I responded to if you do not like what I had to say then sorry I hurt your feelings

but for you to be putting something in your body because someone else said it was cool is ..... well that just speaks for itself

and as for who you listen to thats up to you I gave you no advise on how much to take or for how long (it seems like you have that handled from you first post) my advise was research take it or leave it

and I am a vet at beyondmass.com just for future reference


best of luck to you !