TRIBULUS FORUM (EVERYONES INPUT ON THIS PLEASE)

[GreekTank]

Bros, I think this is a very effective product, more effective than No2 supplements on the market now. I find it works best if taken 5 -10 grams before a workout. It increases Test levels by a bit, helps you train more focused & harder. What company's & doses have worked best out there for you Bros?

[house1]

never tried it

[YellowJacket]

There are no studies that show a significant positive increase in testosterone levels when tribulus is consumed.

[Jordan]

Tribulus Terrestris

Description:
Tribulus (puncture vine) is a vine that has been used as a general tonic (energy) and herbal treatment for impotence, but is found primarily in dietary supplements marketed for increasing testosterone levels in bodybuilders and power athletes.

Claims:

Increased testosterone production

Increased muscle mass/strength


Theory:
The idea behind tribulus is that it may increase testosterone levels indirectly by raising blood levels of another hormone, luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is a hormone produced by the pituitary gland and plays a role in regulating natural testosterone production and serum levels.

Scientific Support:
The active ingredient in tribulus is unknown, but is though to be a component known as furostanol saponins. There has been very little research conducted on the effectiveness of tribulus in elevating testosterone levels – the main claim made by body building products which contain the herb. In some cultures, the tribulus terrestris plant has been used as a "tonic" to in crease energy levels and treat sexual dysfunction (usually in males). In animals, tribulus may stimulate "mounting" behavior. Some European studies suggest that tribulus extract can increase testosterone levels 30-50% above baseline levels – but still well within the normal range. Unfortunately, however, these same studies also suggest a similar increase in estradiol levels – not exactly what the hardcore muscle builders should be interested in boosting

If tribulus extract does indeed elevate testosterone levels somewhat, but keeps them within normal ranges, it may be an effective supplement for individuals with reduced testosterone levels such as athletes at risk for overtraining syndrome and in those individuals on a prolonged low-calorie diet. It will not, however, cause you to start sprouting muscles from all parts of your body, as many body building mags would have you believe.

In one of the few well-controlled studies to examine the effects of tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance looked at 15 resistance-trained males. Subjects received either a placebo or a large dose of tribulus (1.5mg per pound of body weight per day for 2 months). Results showed no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total muscle mass or muscle strength related to tribulus supplementation

Safety:
Although no significant side effects should be expected at doses of tribulus contained in commercial dietary supplements, animal studies have suggested the possibility of locomotor (muscle coordination) disturbances following ingestion of tribulus in high quantities. In sheep consuming tribulus plant for several months, neurological disease was characterized by an irreversible, asymmetrical, weakness of the hindlimbs.

Value:
Products containing tribulus are typically marketed to bodybuilders and athletes concerned with increasing muscle mass and strength. Although such products are typically combinations of ingredients which include tribulus, rather than tribulus alone, the scientific evidence for product effectiveness is typically lacking. At this time, Supplement Watch does not view tribulus extract (on its own) as a valuable dietary supplement for muscle building. As a support ingredient contained in a wider supplement blend, tribulus may provide some benefits to those individuals interested in maintaining testosterone levels in the normal range (overtrained athletes and dieters).

Dosage:
A typical dosage of 250-1500 mg of tribulus per day is fairly common. Be sure to choose an extract standardized for at least 30-45% steroidal saponins (furostanol).


References:
1. Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000 Jun;10(2):208-15.
2. Arcasoy HB, Erenmemisoglu A, Tekol Y, Kurucu S, Kartal M. Effect of Tribulus terrestris L. saponin mixture on some smooth muscle preparations: a preliminary study. Boll Chim Farm. 1998 Dec;137(11):473-5.
3. Bourke CA. Hepatopathy in sheep associated with Tribulus terrestris. Aust Vet J. 1983 Jun;60(6):189.
4. Bourke CA. Staggers in sheep associated with the ingestion of Tribulus terrestris. Aust Vet J. 1984 Nov;61(11):360-3.
5. Duhan A, Chauhan BM, Punia D. Nutritional value of some non-conventional plant foods of India. Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 1992 Jul;42(3):193-200.
6. Wu G, Jiang S, Jiang F, Zhu D, Wu H, Jiang S. Steroidal glycosides from Tribulus terrestris. Phytochemistry. 1996 Aug;42(6):1677-81.
7. Xu YX, Chen HS, Liang HQ, Gu ZB, Liu WY, Leung WN, Li TJ. Three new saponins from Tribulus terrestris. Planta Med. 2000 Aug;66(6):545-50.
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[chan_ho_nam]

The guys over at CJM love it, 3gs on cycle, 6grams off and during pct. Planning to try it myself.

[GreekTank]

Bro, it works!

[hitmansb]

I've tried Tribulis that didn't feel like it was doing much, but I've also done Tribulis that boosted my test enough that the effects were significant. Like most herbals, you tend to get what you pay for...I've noticed the best results from Tribestan.

[Pumpdogg]

I used various products in the past containing Tribulus and had good results, however I have not used any of the newer products. Biotest Tribex 500 used to work well, although I hear reports of it not being any good now, and I also used tribestan many years ago with good results..ie increased pumps gains in stength weight gain etc.. Greek are lookin to you buying the herb in bulk powder form, or pills?

PD

[RUI-Products]

there are studies that prove it dosn't work ....

A PCT forum would be a better idea .....

[Pumpdogg]

Originally posted by buyb12
there are studies that prove it dosn't work ....

A PCT forum would be a better idea .....

Thats cool and all, so how do you explain the results with these products? I am just curious and not being a smart ass.

PD

[trip]

I've used several types over several years and IMHO it does boost to the point where I get increased wood, which would lead you to believe that it was test

I've never gone over 3 g's

It also makes me feel speedy like effedra so don't use it much anymore

[YellowJacket]

The increased excitation is most likely a result of increased NO levels, NOT an insrease in testosterone.

[GreekTank]

He is right, why do you feel speedy if you are on it? Is it a CNS?
how can it increase NO bro?

[New_Mass]

got to go with experience over study fellas as I've a tried the tribestan also before and seen results depending on dosage. I also believe that the body in its natural state will respond better to these supps.. as opposed to 1 that has been enhanced before and trying to recover

[sekcbeast]

i tried it a couple of years ago. i didnt feel that it did anything, other than give me nasty smelly burps.