cycle w/o test...any thoughts?

[largely]

Any thoughts on the pros (if any) and cons of running an AS w/o test?
I wanna run either d-bol or tren for about 6 weeks to shed a few bf% while maintaining a hard full muscle look. I dont wanna use test because i dont have any first of all, and im not planning on going down to Mexico any time soon, also im just not as comforatable as i used to be with haveing needles/syringes layin around the house....plus i hate sticking myself even if only once a week....but the main reason is i dont have any right now, but i do have a crap load of clomid which i would run at the same time, and i do have access to both d-bol and tren.
Ive used d-bol for cutting in the past and loved it!

[Chadd77]

Most of the time if you are cutting you stay away from dbol since it causes water retention. And if you’re not ready to stick yourself then you will want to stay away from tren. Tren requires ed or eod injections. And you wouldn’t want to run tren without at lease a small dose of test. Sounds like you need to do some more research brother!

[largely]

Originally posted by Chadd77
Most of the time if you are cutting you stay away from dbol since it causes water retention. And if you’re not ready to stick yourself then you will want to stay away from tren. Tren requires ed or eod injections. And you wouldn’t want to run tren without at lease a small dose of test. Sounds like you need to do some more research brother!

like i said, i have had great results with d-bol when cutting. H20 retention can easily be avoided with a clean diet and a good rotation of thermogenics.....i love d-bol for cutting b/c it really brings out the viens, and you avoid getting that flat look you get from cutting carbs And its not that im not ready to stick myself so much as it is a hassle hiding needles and syringes around the house and the fact that i dont have any test right now. What i have easily accesable is d-bol and tren, and would be willing to stick myself if i got an overwhelming response from people round here saying that ren w/o test would be better then d-bol w/o test.

[Primal Instinct]

To first say that you don't want to use test because it's a hassle of dealing w/pins around the house but yet you are willing to use them for tren makes no sense. I know that you said you don't have any test right now. Save your money, buy some test cyp or enth, it's not THAT hard to get. If you are willing to stick yourself to use tren, then you might as well do test too. If you need ed/eod injects for the tren then just get some test prop and be done with it. Make sure that you have the proper PCT (and a plan) on hand before you even purchase the other stuff. You might as well just wait and do it right. This way, you'll get the most successful gains for the trouble you put yourself through.

[largely]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
To first say that you don't want to use test because it's a hassle of dealing w/pins around the house but yet you are willing to use them for tren makes no sense. I know that you said you don't have any test right now. Save your money, buy some test cyp or enth, it's not THAT hard to get. If you are willing to stick yourself to use tren, then you might as well do test too. If you need ed/eod injects for the tren then just get some test prop and be done with it. Make sure that you have the proper PCT (and a plan) on hand before you even purchase the other stuff. You might as well just wait and do it right. This way, you'll get the most successful gains for the trouble you put yourself through.

Ok for a second lets forget that i even mentioned not wanting to use needles.....what i have is a crap load of clomid, enough to run durring and after a 6 week cycle. I have access (through a friend) to d-bol and tren. I dont have any test and i dont like to use internet sources. I go to mexico once a year and usually do all my shopping there, but it doesnt look like im going for a while and im not looking for "gains" im just looking to maintain muscle mass while cutting.......i like the way i look on d-bol while cutting so im kinda leaning towards that route and just thought id get some input.

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by largely
Ok for a second lets forget that i even mentioned not wanting to use needles.....what i have is a crap load of clomid, enough to run durring and after a 6 week cycle. I have access (through a friend) to d-bol and tren. I dont have any test and i dont like to use internet sources. I go to mexico once a year and usually do all my shopping there, but it doesnt look like im going for a while and im not looking for "gains" im just looking to maintain muscle mass while cutting.......i like the way i look on d-bol while cutting so im kinda leaning towards that route and just thought id get some input.

OK, I understand what you're saying. I didn't mean to come off sounding harsh, if I did. Assuming that your cardio & diet is in check, you might want to consider using clen, T3 and alternating it (2 weeks on/2 weeks off) ECA stack coupled with HIIT type training system for cutting (even though you have access to those other compounds). Other stacks that work well would include MOH4 and M-Dien. I have successfully used transdermal S1+ with the Anarchy Stack and dropped a decent amount of BF% while actually building new lean muscle mass in an 8 week cycle. None of these cutting stacks require pins and have proven results. Just something you might want to consider, is all.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
OK, I understand what you're saying. I didn't mean to come off sounding harsh, if I did. Assuming that your cardio & diet is in check, you might want to consider using clen, T3 and alternating it (2 weeks on/2 weeks off) ECA stack coupled with HIIT type training system for cutting (even though you have access to those other compounds). Other stacks that work well would include MOH4 and M-Dien. I have successfully used transdermal S1+ with the Anarchy Stack and dropped a decent amount of BF% while actually building new lean muscle mass in an 8 week cycle. None of these cutting stacks require pins and have proven results. Just something you might want to consider, is all.

dont run T-3 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and dont run T-3 without test. T-3 is no joke and it should be pyrmid up then down slowly. clen/eca 2 on 2 off much better.

[therock]

Also why in the hell would you run clomid during your cycle bro? Doesnt make sense. Now nolva yes but not clomid.

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by ROCKETW19
dont run T-3 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and dont run T-3 without test. T-3 is no joke and it should be pyrmid up then down slowly. clen/eca 2 on 2 off much better.

Ya, that didn't come out quite right. I meant ECA/Clen as a 2 on/2 off and then maybe even T3 but I was in a rush at that moment. Regardless, thorough research must done before jumping into anything. Read more on this website before starting anything related to these topics.

[KingEgo]

dbol with clomid should do the trick, since you eat clean and dont warry about water retention and since clomid dehidrates you as well it cold work as a cutting cycle. as far as tren and especially wich clomid i would not take my chances with it.tren without test will fuck with your head big time--you can become depressed , irritable , etc etc etc , clomid sometimes have the same side effect as well, so if you use both of them you could become total asshole. just my 2cc's