Crash

[keeper]

What does it mean when test crashes?? DOes that just mean that there is too much test in the bottle and that is actually a good thing, and then if i was to shake it up before injecting, would that/ could that make it more painfull? (it is prop)

[Skyefire]

It means that the hormonr is no longer in solution (desolved in the liquid). This is bad. Please give more info about how you made it, the amount of ingreadants, and method. I do not recomend trying to inject it.

[keeper]

ok bro...here is the scoop...i made it from synovex-h. I did make one mistake in that i dissolved the pellets in the BA/BB solution when I should have used heet. I just started over again and dumped it all in the heet and the bought more solution. it appeared to work well but it seemed that i made powder and not crystals.

why would you reccommend not to inject? that worries me a bit

[Skyefire]

DO NOT INJECT that! the oil or BB could prevent the lye from salting out all the estrogen! Lets check with spidey to be sure. At any rate If you have made your gear and its crashing I need to know how many mg/ml your trying to make it and how much BA and BB and type of oil your using

[spidey]

If we are talking about the kit that is supposed to produce test prop, it isn't lye; or if it is, it won't work to take out the estrogen. The estrogen can not be "salted out" with a strong base.

The estrogen in synovex is estradiol-3-benzoate. The acidic 3-OH (phenolic) is protected as the ester. The free 17-OH has a pKa of around 18 so the alkoxide generated would be ~100 times as basic as hydroxide. This is impossible to generate in an aqueous solution. You can't deprotonate the 17-OH with hydroxide (lye).

FYI, I isolated some of the estradiol benzoate from synovex and analyzed it by NMR. I also shook it with 1 molar NaOH for several minutes and then recovered it unchanged.

If we are talking about the kit that is supposed to produce test base, the estrogen removal solution is lye and Skyfire is right. The oil and organic solvents could slow that hydrolysis down and leave estrogen in the mixture.

[Skyefire]

mucho thankous