fina

[oswald]

How hard is it on your body, just taking it by itself. The reason i ask is a buddy of mine is getting ready to start a only fina cycle. I told him to add some test but thats him.

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

If he doesn't mind having a limp dick the whole time he's on it, then let him go. It will shut him down HARD, and it has the potential to give him really bad sides:

night sweats
limp dick
increased aggression
short fuse

What does he plan for PCT, or does he even know what that is?? I know a guy at my gym who's done 3 seperate sustanon/dbol/winny cycles, and couldn't tell me what pct was.

[oswald]

well he is like talking to a fence post but he is going to run nolva after.

[joe bigboy]

fina shuts most ppl down pretty bad, i'd run test with it

[oswald]

hey joe bb I read that your coming off a 2 year cycle just wondering how it going.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by BENCH355ANIMAL

increased aggression
short fuse
.

Very inaccurate.

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Very inaccurate.

I'd say it's pretty accurate actually. I've run many different AS for years now and I don't by into the whole "roid rage" thing, but as from what I've seen with my own experimenting and with what I've seen and heard from others on boards the last 5 or so years, I'd say that this component does tend to make one more aggressive. There's not going to be a way to "scientifically" prove this fact like most others in the bodybuilding world aside from personal experiences and they lead me to believe that one is more likely to have an increased aggression level while on tren.

[YellowJacket]

Emperical feedback is close to as irrelevant in this sport. There's no evidence supporting the increase in endogenous hormones and increased aggression.

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Emperical feedback is close to as irrelevant in this sport.

Really???? Beings there are so many studies done on the effects of trenbolone acetate in humans or bodybuilders rather and all of the other substances some of us put in our bodies for bodybuilding purposes. Bro, I appreciate and respect your knowledge but to say empirical evidence in this field is irrelevant is absolutely absurd. If empirical feedback is irrelevant then not many people on this board would get answers to their questions. A great example is PCT. People speak on what they've done and what has worked for them. This does not mean that it will work for everyone but yet the PCT questions get answered all the time without questioning them. Why? Because through our trials and errors we have come up with ballpark numbers for substances that typically will suffice to get your natural test levels back up. But the fact remains that it is mostly empirical evidence.

Now like I said, I as well as others have experienced increased aggression while on tren. If you haven't, then you haven't, but don't say that someone who says tren may increase aggression is incorrect because for them it may have increased aggression and they are simply speaking from their use of the substance.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by Lmg2701
Really???? Beings there are so many studies done on the effects of trenbolone acetate in humans or bodybuilders rather and all of the other substances some of us put in our bodies for bodybuilding purposes. Bro, I appreciate and respect your knowledge but to say empirical evidence in this field is irrelevant is absolutely absurd.

Then apparently you havent been around as long as I though. With so many supplements, scams, "ulitmate weight loss" diets, one must be a skeptic of everything. What works for oyu, may not work for me, ie. creatine non-responders, etc. If someone recommends something to me, I dont run right out and buy it, and I would hope you do not either. Science will ALWAYS prevail over someone's opinion, always. Science is proven, opinions are just that, opinions,

If empirical feedback is irrelevant then not many people on this board would get answers to their questions.

First of all, I said close to irrelevant, certainly not totally irrelevant. But take a look around these board, people certainly do get answers to their questions, but how often are they accurate?? I see a lot of comical and misleasing advice being given.... how do I know its inaccurate, I go by what my books, my studies, my education tells me. If it werent for science, we'd all be using Cell Tech and Cybergenics.

A great example is PCT. People speak on what they've done and what has worked for them. This does not mean that it will work for everyone but yet the PCT questions get answered all the time without questioning them. Why? Because through our trials and errors we have come up with ballpark numbers for substances that typically will suffice to get your natural test levels back up. But the fact remains that it is mostly empirical evidence.

Oh the irony. 1 in 3 PCT questions are generally incorrect.... why? Because 50mgs of clomid may be enough for you, so you recommend 50mgs of clomid to everyone, 50mgs may not even be close enough to others.

Now like I said, I as well as others have experienced increased aggression while on tren. If you haven't, then you haven't, but don't say that someone who says tren may increase aggression is incorrect because for them it may have increased aggression and they are simply speaking from their use of the substance.

Placebo.

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by Lmg2701
Really???? Beings there are so many studies done on the effects of trenbolone acetate in humans or bodybuilders rather and all of the other substances some of us put in our bodies for bodybuilding purposes. Bro, I appreciate and respect your knowledge but to say empirical evidence in this field is irrelevant is absolutely absurd. If empirical feedback is irrelevant then not many people on this board would get answers to their questions. A great example is PCT. People speak on what they've done and what has worked for them. This does not mean that it will work for everyone but yet the PCT questions get answered all the time without questioning them. Why? Because through our trials and errors we have come up with ballpark numbers for substances that typically will suffice to get your natural test levels back up. But the fact remains that it is mostly empirical evidence.

Now like I said, I as well as others have experienced increased aggression while on tren. If you haven't, then you haven't, but don't say that someone who says tren may increase aggression is incorrect because for them it may have increased aggression and they are simply speaking from their use of the substance.

Bro, who cares! this is the same guy that said tribulus does jack all for Testosterone, take tribex for a week bro and write what you experience!

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Bro, who cares! this is the same guy that said tribulus does jack all for Testosterone, take tribex for a week bro and write what you experience!

lol.... let me guess? You can finally get a boner? Think that has anything to do with the NO increase your body goes through from the consumption of tribulus? Wait, you didnt know that, you assumed it was from increased testosterone.

www.pubmed.com

Go there and search for tribulus and see what a joke it is....

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Then apparently you havent been around as long as I though. With so many supplements, scams, "ulitmate weight loss" diets, one must be a skeptic of everything. What works for oyu, may not work for me, ie. creatine non-responders, etc. If someone recommends something to me, I dont run right out and buy it, and I would hope you do not either. Science will ALWAYS prevail over someone's opinion, always. Science is proven, opinions are just that, opinions,

Been around for a while, actually since around the start of www.fitnessboard.com
I am definitely a skeptic, but how much of a skeptic can one be. People try things and then they come on here and report the effects. If someone says creatine worked for me, than great, creatine worked for them. But if people continually come on here again and again and again and say it worked for them, then you better believe i'm going to look into it and probably give it a go once i find out what i need to know about the substance (creatine is a bit far fetched example but it'll do).

Originally posted by YellowJacket


First of all, I said close to irrelevant, certainly not totally irrelevant. But take a look around these board, people certainly do get answers to their questions, but how often are they accurate?? I see a lot of comical and misleasing advice being given.... how do I know its inaccurate, I go by what my books, my studies, my education tells me. If it werent for science, we'd all be using Cell Tech and Cybergenics.

If the info is inaccurate then a mod or experienced member should say something to correct it. I usually take for granted posts with 10 or more replies have been answered so I don't view them often but if there are less replies I usually try to answer to the best of my ability. Now about science......how does science gain knowledge--------->, theories, hypotheses and then test them..........that's what we do, we test them again and again and we see what works and what doesn't. We don't have long published statisitical papers but we have 100's and 100's of personnal experiences and after reading them for years you see a pattern and from that you make the decision that you feel is in your best interest or you come to a conclusion about a certain topic, i.e. tren makes you more aggressive

Originally posted by YellowJacket


Oh the irony. 1 in 3 PCT questions are generally incorrect.... why? Because 50mgs of clomid may be enough for you, so you recommend 50mgs of clomid to everyone, 50mgs may not even be close enough to others.

I don't recomend things always, I say what has worked for me and it is up to the person to review what others have tried and get a ball park figure of what they should go with. When I do recommend things it's because it has been the route i as well as other people have taken again and again and again with positive results. If 33% of those PCT questions are wrong and you see them, you should try to answer them better.

Originally posted by YellowJacket


Placebo.

Afraid not, I've never bought into roid rage but my aggression is noticably different on tren.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by Lmg2701
Been around for a while, actually since around the start of www.fitnessboard.com
I am definitely a skeptic, but how much of a skeptic can one be. People try things and then they come on here and report the effects. If someone says creatine worked for me, than great, creatine worked for them. But if people continually come on here again and again and again and say it worked for them, then you better believe i'm going to look into it and probably give it a go once i find out what i need to know about the substance (creatine is a bit far fetched example but it'll do).

FG hasnt been around long, as opposed to a lot of boards.... why wait for people to approve/disapprove something? Do some research for yourself.

If the info is inaccurate then a mod or experienced member should say something to correct it.

To be very blunt, Id say 75% of mods on these boards these days are just as clueless as your average member.

how does science gain knowledge--------->, theories, hypotheses and then test them..........that's what we do, we test them again and again and we see what works and what doesn't. We don't have long published statisitical papers but we have 100's and 100's of personnal experiences and after reading them for years you see a pattern and from that you make the decision that you feel is in your best interest or you come to a conclusion about a certain topic, i.e. tren makes you more aggressive

Science is also abot physiology. Ill take 2 or 3 peer review abstracts over 10-15 personal reviews anyday. These experiements and studies are CONTROLLED, something emperical data isnt. Too many variables via word of mouth and opinion.

When I do recommend things it's because it has been the route i as well as other people have taken again and again and again with positive results. If 33% of those PCT questions are wrong and you see them, you should try to answer them better.

Not necessarily. This isnt a job to me, just recreation. I avoid the anabolic section more often than not, for personal reason, but theres a lot of comical information there.

Afraid not, I've never bought into roid rage but my aggression is noticably different on tren.

Depends on how one defines aggression, but there is no evidence to support the theory of elevated aggression/rage while on tren or any other anabolic steroid, therefore, it dosnt exist.

[Lmg2701]

This conversation could go on forever, but who has the time. I guess we just have different views bro.