possible cycle

[strat_69]

I'm considering doing a cycle pretty soon to bulk up significantly and get as much quality mass as possible, as is usually the case anyways. (this would be my first cycle) I'm 5'10" and 190 lbs. My diet is consistent and so is my training, I never miss a session unless I'm injured (I actually have a pinched nerve right now though, not fun).

It would go something like this

February 28 - to may 2 = 9 weeks (trip april 6-11)


1-2 test 400 (350 mg every 3 days)
2-6 test 400 (200 mg every 3 days) **400 mg before trip on 5th week
1-3/6-9 Winstrol 50-75 mg/day
6-9 test propionate 115 mg eod
6-8 500 iu hcg/day


post cycle (10 days after last shot)

11-12 hcg 750 iu/day
11- nolvadex 40 mg/day
12- nolvadex 25 mg/day
13- nolvadex 20 mg/day


I'm not sure about the post cycle timing and I'm not sure how long I should wait to start nolva or when to do hcg exactly but I think I have it in the ballpark. I chose to use shorter esters toward the end to make post cycle more effective so I wouldn't have like 34mg of test left in my system delaying recovery. Another thing is should I use hcg throughout the cycle or just post cycle, I've heard that prevention is the best way to go about it, rather than trying to start things back up at the end but everybody's got an opinion.

So basically do you think switching to shorter esters within the last few weeks is the right thing to do, and if you could help me iron out my hcg and post cycle I would really appreciate it. I want to get everything down well before I do a thing so I can get the most out of this.

Thanks for the help.

[therock]

I think you should start your pct about a week/week and a half after your last prop shot. The reason for this is because prop is a short ester which means the half life is shorter meaning you dont need to wait and shouldnt wait 2-3wks for pct. JMO.

[strat_69]

thanks, yeah that's what I was thinking so I figured 10 days would be about the right timing. I'm still not sure about the hcg though... do I run it during to be safe (and does that really work) or just wait till the end for the nice kickstart. Also will nolva do me for post cycle or should I put some clomid in there, I don't think it'll be necessary but just wondering. Thanks.

[house1]

alot of stuff for a first cycle bro!!

keep things simple and just run a basic test cycle!!

as for pct -- with the setup you have up there start it 4 days after last prop injection -

ohh and as for hcg you can run it 2 weeks prior to your nolva setup
again not sure why you want to run all that shit for a first cycle -

test only

[DiamondCutCows]

Incase you're wondering what House is really saying, I will.
Why not just run Test E 500mg/wk for 12 weeks? HCG can be ran wks 5-6-7 and wks 13-14 followed by PCT wks 15-16-17.

Simple is good when just getting into it.

Originally posted by house1
alot of stuff for a first cycle bro!!

keep things simple and just run a basic test cycle!!

as for pct -- with the setup you have up there start it 4 days after last prop injection -

ohh and as for hcg you can run it 2 weeks prior to your nolva setup
again not sure why you want to run all that shit for a first cycle -

test only

[strat_69]

I spose you guys have a point about keeping it simple, it would make things a lot easier. I was just thinking the winny would compliment things and switching to a shorter ester toward the end would accelerate things nicely as far as pct goes... on the other hand maybe it wouldn't make that much of a difference if I ran Enan or cyp for 12 along with some nolva and hcg.. probably be cheaper too.. which is a definate bonus.. As far as dosing goes what would be most effective. I'm looking to get up around 220 but I knwo that's a little far off, like they say aim high, how much could I expect if I ran strait test for 12 weeks vs. what I have if I was eating well. I'm just curious as to what kind of weight I could achieve. All in all I like the simplicity idea, I'll definately give that some thought.

[therock]

I totally missed that it was your first cycle. Shit I am going blind. But yeah what house and diamond said, run test e for 12wks. As far as how much will you gain is up to you. Its up to your diet, sleep habits, and how you workout aswell. Mostly diet. O n my first cycle I gained 35lbs, just to give you an idea on how much you can gain. I think 20lbs is avg though. Your pct and diet after pct will determine how much you keep.

[GreekTank]

Bro, no need do get complicated. This is your first cycle. Nice! start off basic. Use a long acting Testosterone i.e. enanthate or cypionate @ 500 mg /week for 12 weeks. Nolva, HCG sounds good no need to increase the HCG dosage though, keep it at 500 i.u. too much is no good, that dose is effective enough. You could also run the HCG in your 7th - 8th week of cycle and when the cycle is over run some Clomid & Nolva. That's it nice and simple. On your next cycle you could add an extra compound if needed.