Which Cycle Would Cause The Most Lean Muscle Growth???

[Millineum Man]

Fellas, theoretically which cycle would cause the most LEAN, hard muscle growth on a First Cycle??

1.) Test Cypionate@600mgs for 10 weeks
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HCG@250ius twice a week

2.) Test Cypionate@300mgs for 16 weeks
EQ@300-400mgs for 15 weeks
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HCG@250ius twice a week

I've been reading up on lower doses for longer periods of time on this and other boards and it sounds pretty good. Which would you go with???

[wheyman]

That's kind of a loaded question..You want lean gains so I'm assuming you don't want any excess fat or water which is almost impossible. You will retain water from either cycle, it may not be as much as a deca cycle, but if you want to lean out without loosing too much muscle then I would suggest a different cycle..

To answer your question though I would go with the second one, but I would bump the test up to at least 500mg..

If you are looking for a lean cycle (cutting cycle) I would try something like this.

EQ 12 weeks at 400-600mgs
Prop 100mgs eod weeks 1-6
winny 100mgs eod weeks 6-12
Nolvadex 40mg ed throughout whole cycle
HCG @250ius twice a week throughout cycle and PCT

don't forget pct either..

[house1]

give us some stats bro -

age , training,etc,etc



i like the first cycle for a first cycle --the one change i would make is back your dose down

400 mgs --12 weeks -

start pct 2 weeks after last inject!

as for leanness -that comes with diet not drugs !!

[house1]

wheyman,

that is too much for a first cycle bro --not a good idea at all imo

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

Gaining only lean body mass is going to be determined on your diet and how hard you work in the gym during the cycle- not what compounds you use.

[wheyman]

Originally posted by house1
wheyman,

that is too much for a first cycle bro --not a good idea at all imo

My fault...I didn't read the FIRST CYCLE part..I guess I should of read more carefully. And yes, I forgot to mention that...DIET IS THE KEY FOR LEANESS.

I would suggest the test only cycle, but I would still stay with 500mgs. I would also use nolva instead of arimidex...If you already have the arimidex then I would just keep it in case you need it.

[Slashmonay]

i just finished my 1st cycle ....Test cyp 400mg per week for 12 weeks. Decent gains, stayed lean, actually lost bf towards end of cycle. i wasnt making nearly as much gains as i was towards the end as i was in the 4th-8th weeks...so id run it no longer then 12 bro then just wait another 12 weeks and hit another cycle.

[therock]

Originally posted by house1
wheyman,

that is too much for a first cycle bro --not a good idea at all imo

Yes I agree with this but I dont agree with 400mgs. Your body naturally produces 49mgs a week of test (depending on age) if you are older then 25 then you produce less. So with that said a perfect cycle would be like this.
Test cypo 250mgs a week 16wks
Nolvadex on hand just in case
PCT
And for those who think 250mgs a week is too little then obviously you need to learn more b4 you continue cycling. With perfect diet 201mgs more testosterone a week is way more then enough to grow. I have a friend that ran it like this and gained 35lbs and he ran his for only 12wks! Its not what you take, but how your diet is. Remember diet is 85%. I wish I would have known this when I started to cycle. If I did I would be a monster by now. But because I didnt know this I have joint problems because I ran too much gear and didnt focus on my diet so my muscles outgrew my tendons rapidly. Take my advice and you will get where you want bro.

[wheyman]

Originally posted by therock
Yes I agree with this but I dont agree with 400mgs. Your body naturally produces 49mgs a week of test (depending on age) if you are older then 25 then you produce less. So with that said a perfect cycle would be like this.
Test cypo 250mgs a week 16wks
Nolvadex on hand just in case
PCT
And for those who think 250mgs a week is too little then obviously you need to learn more b4 you continue cycling. With perfect diet 201mgs more testosterone a week is way more then enough to grow. I have a friend that ran it like this and gained 35lbs and he ran his for only 12wks! Its not what you take, but how your diet is. Remember diet is 85%. I wish I would have known this when I started to cycle. If I did I would be a monster by now. But because I didnt know this I have joint problems because I ran too much gear and didnt focus on my diet so my muscles outgrew my tendons rapidly. Take my advice and you will get where you want bro.

That's interesting, it goes against the whole 500mg baseline that most go by. How would lowering the dosage of test per week maximize your growth as opposed to the usual 500-700mg a week dosage that most go by? This is of course assuming that your diet is on in both instances...

I'm also curious to see what your thoughts are on deca dosages..

[therock]

Originally posted by wheyman
That's interesting, it goes against the whole 500mg baseline that most go by. How would lowering the dosage of test per week maximize your growth as opposed to the usual 500-700mg a week dosage that most go by? This is of course assuming that your diet is on in both instances...

I'm also curious to see what your thoughts are on deca dosages..

Well if the diets are the same then of course the 500mgs will make you grow slightly more. But why use more then you need, if you can get where you want with less. For example, lets say you started at 500mgs your 1st 2-3cycles. Then by your 4th you cant grow off of 500mgs anymore so you bump it up to 750mgs. Then b4 you know it your 5th or 6th cycle reqiures (spelling) a gram of test to see results. But if you did it my way, by the 6th cycle you could use 500-600mgs a week and be just as strong just as big as the guy that has to take a freakin gram of test. You see where I am getting with this. Why not take less if you can get the same results, plus not to mention its a hell of a lot cheaper aswell and the money you save you can spend on whats most important, your diet.
Now for deca, its different. The reason being is its not like test which is naturally produced in the body. So with that said any dose will produce growth. But you have to make a choice of what type of gains you want from it. If you just want small gains maybe 10lbs in 14wks or you just want lubrication to your joints then 200mgs a week is enough, as long as you run it for 12-14wks. Now if you want to see really good gains then I suggest 300mgs a week for 12wks or more. If you decide to run deca again on your next cycle still do 300mgs a week. I wouldnt bump it up until you see that you cant grow off of 300mgs anymore, and when you cant grow off of it anymore then just bump it up to 400-450mgs a week. That should cover all your questions bro.

[JUICE]

just lower your doses bro to 400mgs a week and do 12 weeks. Keep the protein high and watch what u eat. Avoid all the bad fats and add good ones to ur diet, eat clean high protein meals.

[wheyman]

Well I'm all about saving money so I will give that a run..I will doing a deca/sust cycle in a week so that will be a good time to test that out...then comes the cutting cycle, get ready for the mood swings from the lack of carbs..lol..It's funny, I never get mood swings from gear, but as soon as I cut my carbs I'm Johnny from the Shining..lol

[therock]

What brand is the gear? Also let us know what route you will take. Also I think you need to really think about what I said. I think that 400-500mg rule is BS. Everytime I tell someone to run 250mgs on their 1st cycle they grow like crazy because I help them through their diet. Also you get a chance to see how your body responds to everything.

[JUICE]

Originally posted by therock
With perfect diet 201mgs more testosterone a week is way more then enough to grow. I have a friend that ran it like this and gained 35lbs and he ran his for only 12wks!

shit with 250mgs on my first cycle (sostenon), i gained from 165 to 195. I was happy as hell, diet was so so but still managed to put on weight :)

Originally posted by therock
But if you did it my way, by the 6th cycle you could use 500-600mgs a week and be just as strong just as big as the guy that has to take a freakin gram of test. You see where I am getting with this. Why not take less if you can get the same results, plus not to mention its a hell of a lot cheaper aswell and the money you save you can spend on whats most important, your diet.

ive used the same dose in 2 cycles already which were 600mgs and got good results.

the 3rd cycle used 600mgs of test w/dbol gainined about 20 pounds

the 4th only used 600mgs test only gained 18 pounds. It was just the diet that was doing the trick. I was eating more, and taking more supplements. Upped my protein alot from the previous cycles.

[therock]

Juice I bet if you would of ran your last cycle of test 600mgs I didnt have all the supps you would have only gained about 5-10lbs. Also thats good bro you gained 30lbs w/ only 250mgs a week. So why not reccomend the same for him bro, why tell him 400mgs if youve seen the results, just curious?