PROVIRON?

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

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Originally posted by spidey
That is a little unfair. You are in effect saying that unless you are an endocrinologist, you shouldn't comment on AAS? I think that would rule out 99.999% of the people on this board.

Not really unfair. There are plenty of personal trainers, and nutritionist out there, but because they are certified in those things doesn't mean they know squat about gear. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't....I'm no expert either. If he is knowledgeable about this particular subject....he didn't obtain it from personal fitness, or nutrition books. The way he worded his comment made it sound like the benefits of proviron are "common knowledge" if you're a personal trainer or nutritionist. If I walked up to a trainer at my gym, and asked him what a good dosage of proviron would be while on cycle....."Pro--what?" would be their reply.

No offense Giveitup....not trying to rag on you bro, and if you would have said

I do have an extensive and sound client base that I draw on for experience on AAS....an of course I have been participating in the pin thing for many many years.....

it would have sound a little better. Hopefully no offense is taken, because there is alot we can all learn from each other.

[giveitup]

none taken

no offense taken bench355animal.......maybe I could have been more clear.....everyone has their own opinion here.....but this does not mean that we will be swapping spit in the shower....haha:rofl:

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

Re: none taken

Originally posted by giveitup
no offense taken bench355animal.......maybe I could have been more clear.....everyone has their own opinion here.....but this does not mean that we will be swapping spit in the shower....haha:rofl:

:ghey:

[spidey]

Originally posted by GreekTank
That's impossible, everyone would be taking it on a daily basis if that was the case

sigh.......

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The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

[therock]

Re: Re: ??

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ROCKETW19
no worries bro my anabolics book says the exact same thing you wrote so its good info. i was just lookin for a real life comparison. youll have to excuse the rock i think hes on some tren right now hes a lil angry these days. [/QUOTE:rofl:
Nah Rocket I aint on tren bro. I am actually clean and have been for about 3-4months. I have been bitchy as of late because there is a lot of nebies that just came to the board and are posting stupid stuff.
Also I appoligize if I offended you bro we had someone that copied statments off websites and posted them on as if there were his. Nice info bro and thanks for clarifing that. Later.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by GreekTank
That's impossible, everyone would be taking it on a daily basis if that was the case

that doesn't mean that there aren't other side affects with it. for one if ran too long it can cause noodle problems, its a DHT dirivirtive so all those sides apply as well. There is always a trade off with any drug, you have to weight the risk vs the benifts.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Skyefire
that doesn't mean that there aren't other side affects with it. for one if ran too long it can cause noodle problems, its a DHT dirivirtive so all those sides apply as well. There is always a trade off with any drug, you have to weight the risk vs the benifts.

I have never heard about limp dick syndrome with proviron. In fact, I have read that larger doses run the risk of priapism. That would really suck since they basically have to puncture your dick to release the pressure.

Erections lasting more than 4 hours can be dangerous. There isn't any circulation of that blood causing the erection so when it runs out of oxygen, the surrounding tissue begins to die. Without treatment, the tissue of your dick will actually die :eek: .

[therock]

Originally posted by spidey
I have never heard about limp dick syndrome with proviron. In fact, I have read that larger doses run the risk of priapism. That would really suck since they basically have to puncture your dick to release the pressure.

Erections lasting more than 4 hours can be dangerous. There isn't any circulation of that blood causing the erection so when it runs out of oxygen, the surrounding tissue begins to die. Without treatment, the tissue of your dick will actually die :eek: .

:eek: What max dosage is safe from not getting this?

[GreekTank]

I did 25mg x 3 daily and never had this problem! it's with larger doses bro

[therock]

It could also depend on the length that you run it right? Just want to make sure, so I am more knowledgeable on this. The more knowledge the better.

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by therock
It could also depend on the length that you run it right? Just want to make sure, so I am more knowledgeable on this. The more knowledge the better.

That's right in your words: "knowledge is power"

[spidey]

Originally posted by therock
:eek: What max dosage is safe from not getting this?

LOL, I have never heard of it happening at doses of 50 mg ed (most common dosage) and I don't know of anyone who takes more than that so I couldn't say at what dosage priapism risk starts to get high. Greektank just said he takes 75 mg ed.....

Not trying to scare anyone. Just make a point that it is a risk that you should know about before eating handfulls of proviron, LOL.

[GreekTank]

Definately, Spidey! don't take handfulls of this stuff to work better average dose is 50 mg ED. I took it at 75mg ED and felt horny as hell when I saw a woman.

[therock]

Thanks bro.