Is 300mgs of Test Enough To Prevent Muscle Lost While Dieting???

[Texas Ranger]

I wanted to get your input on this. I'm trying to help my cousin out. I have his diet set already. He's looking to diet down to single digit bodyfat and get in the best shape of his life. He has pretty good genetics. He wanted to use gear for the first time and I wanted to make everything simple for him. This is what I told him to do.

Test Enanthate@300mgs for 10 weeks
Winstrol Tabs@50mgs ED weeks 7-12
[email protected] ED

He's 25 years old, 6' 235lbs and 11-12% bf and he's shooting for 220lbs and 6% bf. Will this be good enough???

[Shibby]

Is he looking to compete? It's going to be very hard to maintain 6%.

[Texas Ranger]

No, he's doing it for personal achievement only. I told him it's going to be hard as H**L trying to maintain it. He can probably maintain 7-8% with ease.

[Shibby]

IMO, I look at it like this. He's maintaining 11-12 naturally. He will try and strip off some more with AS. If it takes that much AS to take it off, once it's off will his body be able to keep it off without the assistance? 7-8 is still hard without some help. If he's looking to maintain something naturally that low, I would recomend getting a second view on his diet to see if he can fix something there and slowly keep working at it.

[Texas Ranger]

His diet is already in check because I wrote it out for him. He's going to be doing a simple form of Carb Cycling. I have his Protein at 350 grams a day, his Carbs will flucuate between 230 on workout days and 115 on non-workout days, and his Fat will be between 60-70 a day. Once he hits a sticking point, I'll have him reduce his carbs by 50 grams a day on his WO days. Cardio will start at 30 minutes in the morning three times a week. Then, gradually increase depending on what type of results he's getting from the diet. I'm pretty confident he can reach 6% bodyfat with minimal muscle loss in 12 weeks.

[therock]

To answer your question, yes 300mgs is more then enough to mantain IMO. But since this is a personal goal I think he needs to try to do your diet for about a month and see how much bf he has then w/o aas. If you are good at making diets up then there is no reason why he cant get down 10%bf naturallly maybe even lower. Try it out naturally 1st then if doesnt work then move on to aas.

[BBAddict]

Originally posted by therock
If you are good at making diets up then there is no reason why he cant get down 10%bf naturallly maybe even lower.

:agree: I am down to 6%naturally right now with the only "non-standard" supplement being Chizled. Good old clean diet and cardio will do the trick to a certain point. Not easy but possible naturally.

[Slashmonay]

same here i measured at 6.1% and i am maintaining it, even though my diet is very clean and i am 20 years old with a fast meabolism

[redneck99]

he'll prolly make some good muscle gains of that dosage and combo, maintaining shold not be a problem at all.......let us know how it works out for him :)

[JUICE]

i see why not with what he's taking. I was eating clean this summer cycle i did and the test-e only dose was 600mgs. I lost alot of bf while gaining lean muscle. I didnt get that low to 6 or 7% but i did shed alot of bf.

[JUICE]

Originally posted by therock
Try it out naturally 1st then if doesnt work then move on to aas.

that could work too:D

[Texas Ranger]

As you know whenever you diet naturally, you run the risk of losing muscle. In fact, you WILL lose muscle dieting naturally. That's not what we're trying to accomplish here. There's not that big a difference between 10% bf and 11-12% bf, so why run the risk? Let me toss this at you and get your opinion.

Test Enanthate@600mgs week 1(Frontload)
Test Enanthate@300mgs weeks 2-10
Winstrol Tabs@50mgs ED weeks 7-12
[email protected] ED

[therock]

No need to frontload in his situation. Also, actually you can lose bf and still mantain muscle naturally. You should know this since you make diets up. If you know how to put your body in a anabolic state naturally then you will not lose muscle tissue even if you get down to 7%. I would tell you how to do this but you should already know, since you are making diets, right. He can reach that goal naturally w/o losing muscle. AAS are not the answer. Most people use aas for all the wrong reasons. The only reason to use aas besides there true intentions are to supplement an already mastered body and diet. In this situation he has not even come close to mastering his body, so IMO no aas are needed. But if for some reason you dont know how to get into an anabolic state naturally to mantain muscle I charge $20 for that and $50 for a complete diet,workout and supplement plan that is fit to your goals. Let me know.

[Texas Ranger]

Thanks! But, I'll pass on the diet program, Rock. The diet I put together is more than sufficient to maintain muscle mass. Putting together diets is fairly SIMPLE. People just make it harder than it has to be. Adding muscle while dieting naturally is rare. Not saying that it can't be done because there's always an exception, but still it's very rare. Even pro & high ranking amateur bodybuilders lose LBM while dieting for shows and they are on alot more gear and other "supplements" than the average joe. It's just apart of the game....:)

[therock]

Yeah but you are comparing people that compete and your guy that just wants it for a personal goal. In order to comepete I agree you have to lose some muscle mass, only if you go under 6-7%. Anything higher then 6% can be mantained w/o losing muscle tissue. If your body if in an anabolic state there is no way it can be catabolic. But if you are competing, the only way to get under 6% is to become catabolic to shed the rest of the fat off and get under 6%. The difference between mantaining muscle mass at 7%bf and losing muscle mass lies in what you do right in the morning, pre workout, and most importantly 5min right after workout, also while you are sleeping. That is your hint on how to mantain muscle tissue while staying lean.