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  • #16
    Originally posted by Control
    I'm not a fan of t-3. From what I've seen the muscle you lose is not worth the fat you lose. Better off just cutting carbs and doing cardio. Maybe some caffiene and ephedra if you have any left from before the ban, but to me fat burners are over-rated. Diet and cardio are the way to lose fat IMO.

    thanks for the input Control. My carbs are at 55g per meal (5-6 meals per day), I do 60min of the stairmill 4-5days per week (heartrate between 125-140).

    Ephedra fucks with my dick, so I don't take it and if you haven't kept up, the bann has lifted and you can get Ephedra online almost anywhere.

    I guess it's CLEN and patiences.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DS-COUSIN
      thanks for the input Control. My carbs are at 55g per meal (5-6 meals per day), I do 60min of the stairmill 4-5days per week (heartrate between 125-140).

      Ephedra fucks with my dick, so I don't take it and if you haven't kept up, the bann has lifted and you can get Ephedra online almost anywhere.

      I guess it's CLEN and patiences.
      Have you tried carb cycling?

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      • #18
        I've had no thyroid problems and I've always found that as long as you're not on for more than 6 weeks, most of the time spent ramping down, the rebound effect isn't great. That is the logic behind ramping down for so long, to stop the rebound effect. I find it does help, but I'll be the first one to say DIET is the main factor when trimming down.

        I've known some people to run it at 12.5 mcg ED while on growth or 12.5 mcg ED while on a cycle just to help with faster protein synthesis.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Control
          Have you tried carb cycling?

          No, I have not tried, nor heard carb cycling. Can you point me in the direction of that thread?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Lmg2701
            I've had no thyroid problems and I've always found that as long as you're not on for more than 6 weeks, most of the time spent ramping down, the rebound effect isn't great. That is the logic behind ramping down for so long, to stop the rebound effect. I find it does help, but I'll be the first one to say DIET is the main factor when trimming down.

            I've known some people to run it at 12.5 mcg ED while on growth or 12.5 mcg ED while on a cycle just to help with faster protein synthesis.

            Lmg-
            I understand the ramp up and long ramp down, rebound wasn't really what I was worried about, it was the muscle attrition.

            I am dropping weight, but I will have to be patience. I wish I had some GH like you suggested.. :laughnew:

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DS-COUSIN
              No, I have not tried, nor heard carb cycling. Can you point me in the direction of that thread?

              What I have my clients do is cut out all carbs on days when they don't lift (none of them lift more than four days a week) and replace the carbs with fats (preferably healthy fats). Then they carb-up on lifting days (usually). It gets more complicated than that but that's basically how it works. Sometimes I'll have them go no-carb on days they lift too except for before and after they lift. Sometimes we ramp carbs up and down, it all just depends on the individual.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Control
                What I have my clients do is cut out all carbs on days when they don't lift (none of them lift more than four days a week) and replace the carbs with fats (preferably healthy fats). Then they carb-up on lifting days (usually). It gets more complicated than that but that's basically how it works. Sometimes I'll have them go no-carb on days they lift too except for before and after they lift. Sometimes we ramp carbs up and down, it all just depends on the individual.

                Like you said, it sounds complicated and if I had that kind of time to work my carbs and fats in comparison to lifting, non lifting days I wouldn't have this fat-gene problem..hahaha. I will just stick with the cardio and keep my game plan of 50%,35%,15% C,P,F. I am going to adjust my carbs down to 45 or 50grams, stick with my cardio until Winter term begins where I can get more of a workout in since I don't have time to lift now (except for a couple days for kind of a circuit training to get a little pump on), only cardio.

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                • #23
                  Hey guys-chime in real quick on just G and T-3 for 4weeks. 4iu's per day and t-3 ramp up and down.

                  thks...just lookin' for a little more feedback...

                  (vigil) got your PM, will do this weekend.

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                  • #24
                    I'm not sure I'm following you... G as in GH? 4 weeks isn't enough for anything if so and from what I understand if you run GH and T3 together you don't need that much T3 to ramp up and down with.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Shibby
                      I'm not sure I'm following you... G as in GH? 4 weeks isn't enough for anything if so and from what I understand if you run GH and T3 together you don't need that much T3 to ramp up and down with.

                      Yes Shibby, G as in GH (you nerd, you know what I was talking about:D ).

                      I will be running 8 weeks of GH, but I will be gone the 26th-31st and don't know how to carry it through the airport with me so I can stay on while out of town.

                      Help me out here, I am tired as hell and not thinking as clearly as I need.

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                      • #26
                        I figured you meant GH, but the 4 week part didn't make sense. As far as taking it with you others will have to get with you on that. I have never handled the stuff.

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                        • #27
                          This isn't an area of expierence for me, but I had a thought to throw out there. You would need a way to keep it chilled and not inspected.

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                          • #28
                            carb cycling is eating (correct me if I'm wrong here...), say, 250 gms of carbs one day, 150 the next, 50 the next, and then 250 the day after that, and on with the cycle. On your lower carb days, you up your protein and (healthy) fat intake. Obviously, you can adjust the carbs as are appropriate for your bodyweight and body fat. I'm 5'9, 189, at about 9%, so...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Shibby
                              This isn't an area of expierence for me, but I had a thought to throw out there. You would need a way to keep it chilled and not inspected.

                              I think that would be tough to do for the entire trip from westcoast to eastcoast, but... I might just put it in either my food bag I carry on or in my luggage, specifically my shaving bag. GH is fine out of the fridge for up to 30days and since it has been in the fridge almost it's entire life, then two bottles should be able to make it 9hrs until I get to the freezing as part of North New York state right?

                              carb cycling is eating (correct me if I'm wrong here...), say, 250 gms of carbs one day, 150 the next, 50 the next, and then 250 the day after that, and on with the cycle. On your lower carb days, you up your protein and (healthy) fat intake. Obviously, you can adjust the carbs as are appropriate for your bodyweight and body fat. I'm 5'9, 189, at about 9%, so...
                              Yes, this sounds right, but I don't have the time or inclination to go this deep until finals are over. I am old and need to study my ass off to get good grades, unlike these young kids....(YEAH, YOU LMG (j/k)) Anyway, thanks for the input.

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                              • #30
                                If you were going to only 1 location you might consider mailing it to yourself. As far as running T-3 with it, here's my thoughts:


                                If you haven't started taking your GH yet, start taking your temperature....Find out what your typical body temperature is. Now GH is going to affect your thyroid, if you notice your body temperature starts to become lower than it was when you weren't taking GH, then start supplementing with T-3 (12.5 mcg per day). If your temperature is not lower, I wouldn't even worry about throwing in the T-3, you will enjoy the fat loss properties of GH and good diet alone, but *note to self, it's going to take some time (few months).....

                                (Yea, I'm young....Jealous aren't you???? LoL :D)

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