Possible cycle, need some input.

[Puma]

Here is a cycle I am thinking up. I am planning on starting my cycle (whatever it is) on May1st, and finishing up right around July 1st or so (about 8 weeks, I would like to run longer, but I am heading off for a weeks vacation for the 4th of July, and can't bring the gear with me.. If anyone has any suggestions on keeping the cycle running for that time, the I would rather extend the cycle to around 12-16 weeks).

My goal is to shred up for the summer and put on about 10lbs of muscle. My current stats are 220, 5'11", 11%bf. Would like to be about 220 with about 6-7%bf after the cycle.

Anyway, here goes.

Test Cyp - 400mg/week (entire cycle length)
M1T - 20mg/day (2 weeks on 2 weeks off)
Tren - 100mg/eod (entire cycle length)

Planning on starting everything on the same day, and then just stopping and starting the M1 every 2 weeks. This will put me on M1 wks 1-2, and 4-6, and leave me off of it when I come off of everything else (hopefully allowing me to lose all the water from the M1 and look really good at the end of week 8).

I already have plenty of Nolavedex on hand. Never really been a big fan of PCT, but I am very interested to see what people would recommend (remember that I will be unable to take anything for July 1st through about the 10th, so PCT is going to be a little difficult).

As far as availability. I can get Deca, HCG, Test (any ester), and maybe some other substances (have not tried) and of course all the stuff that is availiable over the counter. I can't get any other orals (only M1, and only because I was smart and got plenty of it before the ban).

Let me know what you think, and what maybe I should look at doing differently.

Thx.

Puma

[Puma]

Sorry to have to do this (bump), but I would just like a quick nod on this one way or the other. I realize this cycle is very basic, I just want to make sure I am not missing something that I should be putting in here.

Thx!

Puma

[Primal Instinct]

Why would you take test cyp AND M1T at the same time? What is the point?

[Puma]

Test Cyp and M1T? Well, because M1 depresses your test production, as does Fina, so I want to keep enough test in my blood to keep my head on straight. I have run M1 and Fina before w/o test, and it sucks.

Puma

[ROCKETW19]

i dont know shit about m1t. but i can give you my input on your cycle. its fine the way you have it just drop the tren when you leave. cyp only needs to be takin 1 time per week so just take it the day you leave and the day you come back. i dont understand where you said your not a fan of PCT. you nedd it bro its more important than your cycle. good luck and have a nice vacation.

[Puma]

I was thinking that about trying to run the cycle over the vacation, but I think I will be ready for a break by then anyway. I might push up my start time to the end of this month to try and give myself another week.

As far as the PCT. I don't know, I have never done it, and never really had anything bad happen to me because of it. I run tamox throughout all my cycles, and usually run it for another 2 weeks after my last shot. I have never used HCG, Clomid or anything like that.

If you have some advice for the right kind of PCT to hit after this cycle I would certainly like to hear it.

I can get everything that is easily around (on the Internet) plus HCG. I might be able to get other stuff too, so just give me any advice and I can worry about getting my hands on it.

Thx for the input!

Puma

[pierced one]

im curious also. you say that you run nolva the whole cylce. that is what i do too(cause of gyno) and i dont usually dont crash, just notice a little decrease in libido. so would this lead you fellas to think that the nolva is preventing the "crash" at the end?

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by Puma
Test Cyp and M1T? Well, because M1 depresses your test production, as does Fina, so I want to keep enough test in my blood to keep my head on straight. I have run M1 and Fina before w/o test, and it sucks.

Puma

Cyp and M1T ARE testosterone. They will both decrease your natural testosterone production while being administered during a cycle. That's why PCT is sooo important at the end of a cycle. It's used to gradually bring your natural production back up while dealing with the estrogen levels imbalance that results when you stop taking in extraneous sources of test. No offense here Puma, but I think that you need to some more research about these things before using this cycle.

If you had felt lethargic while running M1T before you probably didn't run it with 4-AD, which would have fought lethargy and kept you from feeling run down. Always keep an eye on your blood pressure if you're taking M1T because it will definitely jump up while on this stuff.

[Puma]

What would you recommend for PCT after a cycle like this?

The last time that I got blood work done after a Fina cycle my estrogen was through the roof, and my test was very low. However, I kept most of the weight and honestly did not feel that bad. That's why I have never really worried about PCT.

When I was talking about M1T and Test, I was responding to the question as to why run them together. M1T depresses your test, and if you don't take test at the same time, leads to all sorts of problems. But, I agree with what you said, (because your right), M1T and Test are both depressive to your natural test levels. Its just that running both at the same time keeps your test level high (because your injecting it). It has nothing to do with PCT however.

Anyway, I think that I may try to run some PCT after this cycle to see if it has any effect on my ability to keep gains. I just don't think that I am very senstive to a low test level, I didn't feel that bad when my Total Test levels were in the double digits.

Thx for the advice, any more input is much apprecaited,

Puma

[roidshammer]

instead of adding m1t - just inject 1000 mg of cypionate the last day bevore vacation - that's enough

in my opinion - there is no use to add m1t during the cycle - if you are not satisfay with the results you get from AAS alone, simple increase the test or the tren (lets say 750 test or 100 tren a.d.)

that's all you need - anyway - like mentioned in the other postings - your own production will go down to zero