IGF-1 vs. HGH?

[Bouncer]

I can't understand why you'd down play LR3 but promote this???
Do you believe this better then Long R3?

im saying it didnt work for me but your free to try it.

[rhinotat2]

Bro I am 37 year old man who's been using since mid 80's. Are you challenging me because I don't know the manufacture of something I used nearly 10 years ago? My resume consist of nearly everything. I am ONE HUNDRED percent positive it was IGF-1.
Any other questions?

[Bouncer]

Bro I am 37 year old man who's been using since mid 80's. Are you challenging me because I don't know the manufacture of something I used nearly 10 years ago? My resume consist of nearly everything. I am ONE HUNDRED percent positive it was IGF-1.
Any other questions?

who are you talking to?

[rhinotat2]

I was talking to Shibby. Sorry I am still trying to get use to this. I thought I transfered his quote but I guess not.

"Are you sure you know what you tried?"

[Shibby]

I was just curios man. You're answer was really vauge, and that expierince is contradictory to things you have claimed as far as the research you do and knowledge you gain before trying something.

[rhinotat2]

Well if you only new me my friend, which you don't. I find it kind of funny how you're so concerned about my knowledge. Most of the stuff I bring to the board I already pretty much know the answer to. I get in conversations with guys today who tell me different and I am like well it wasn't like that when I was in the game. So needless to say I come here to confirm that what I was stating to them was correct. Sorry my memory is a little shot.

I'd like to understand how you came to this statement?

"You're answer was really vague, that experience is contradictory to things you have claimed as far as the research you do and knowledge you gain before trying something."

Do you have any idea of what drugs you were doing ten years ago? If you've even use or have been using that long.(I don't want to assume anything) I can tell you this. The first thing I ever purchased was a 10cc, 200mg bottle of test cyp. It was when I was 19 but I could never remember the manufacturer. If you want I can start making statements rather then asking questions so you're need of wanting to know my knowledge level will be fulfilled.

This is just a test.

[Bouncer]

Well if you only new me my friend, which you don't. I find it kind of funny how you're so concerned about my knowledge. Most of the stuff I bring to the board I already pretty much know the answer to. I get in conversations with guys today who tell me different and I am like well it wasn't like that when I was in the game. So needless to say I come here to confirm that what I was stating to them was correct. Sorry my memory is a little shot.

I'd like to understand how you came to this statement?

"You're answer was really vague, that experience is contradictory to things you have claimed as far as the research you do and knowledge you gain before trying something."

Do you have any idea of what drugs you were doing ten years ago? If you've even use or have been using that long.(I don't want to assume anything) I can tell you this. The first thing I ever purchased was a 10cc, 200mg bottle of test cyp. It was when I was 19 but I could never remember the manufacturer. If you want I can start making statements rather then asking questions so you're need of wanting to know my knowledge level will be fulfilled.

This is just a test.

lol, shibby you have to laugh bro. he is right after all. i cant remember what the hell i used last year let alone 10 years ago.

[Shibby]

I was just curious. I'm not questoning if he can remeber. I was wondering if it could have been something else. That's it. And no Rhinotat2 I havn't been using near that long. Only about 3 years. I am still trying to learn alot more about anything outside of Test.

[rhinotat2]

No it was definitely IGF-1. Like I said earlier it was just hitting the surface then.
I know of two manufactures today of LR3. I am sure there are plenty more but I know of two. I'll going try one in the up coming months and one in the late fall. By the way I wasn't trying to attack your use time. Like I said I try not to assume things. Just curious, what's your long term goal?

[Shibby]

It's fine. I was blunt and left it to be taken anyway. I might could have been more clear on what I was saying. Oh well to late now.

[Stonecold54]

It's fine. I was blunt and left it to be taken anyway. I might could have been more clear on what I was saying. Oh well to late now.

:wacko:

[swampwood]

The results I got from igf were outstanding and fast..... No aas has even come close.
Haven't tried gh so can't really say.

[rhinotat2]

I am with ya on that bro and I ve used both products. I firmly believe IGF-1 results are accelerated 2 to 3 times over HGH. Although I'd recommend both depending on what the individual was looking for. For all around health purposes HGH is better.

[Sootybaby]

Hi gang. I have just come off a study using hGH. The study was for detection of hGH in athletes and was not looking as hGH as a anabolic agent per-se however it was interesting.

Most people on the hGH (10IU e/d) put on 4-6kg in two weeks. This was lost within a week of finishing the course of hGH. So, by my reckoning, initial gains are all water!

Reading more into some of the IOC sponsored studies we now think that hGH is not anabolic at all. It is a proven fat burner but some of the other sides (water retention and others) make it a definate no-no for in competition (athletic) doping.

The water gain is extracellular, so even the cell volumising aspect of AAS water retention is not present with hGH.

On other baords there is a paradigm-shift away from hGH being anabolic and more to 'it's another fat burner' as more users come in with their reports and people study the issues with a little more detachment.

On the IGF-I debate. I think again that there is more that we are missing here than straight doping with IGF-I = muscle gain.

If it were that easy then hGH would increase muscle because of the elevated levels of IGF-I through doping. And it doesn't.

There are other regulatory systems at work here that we don't know enough about, but I am willing to stick my neck out here and say that straight forward increase of circulating IGF-I by supraphysiological doping will do very little in normal healthy adults.

There is work done (from a lab very close to me) into other isoforms of IGF-I and some of the work of goldspink and rothenthal which we believe will show that it will take more than straight IGF-I increases to see anabolic changes in the muscle system.

[Shibby]

So are you saying that simply putting IGF-1 in your system isn't enough to get effects and that the injection of GH is what's needed for any real effect?