Thinking about a short first cycle suggestions please

[chariots]

Due to my work requirements I ahve been considering the idea of a short cycle. These are my stats 5'9, 195lbs bf 14%

I am thinking of running:

wk1-wk4 200mg Test suspension 50mg eod
wk2-wk6 20mg of stanozol ed

Also I will have Nolvadex on hand just in case.

Also is there any need to run some HCG afterwards

Also I know the test is a bit low but I am being conservitive.

Any suggestions????????

Thanks guys

[Shibby]

Well, is your work only going to be a problem for 6 weeks. If so why not just wait. This way you arn't wasting money and everything can be done right. If your work is lasting longer then that, why not go with a long ester test only cycle at about 400mg/wk for 10 weeks. The test is a bit low, that's what an average hormone replacement therapy is dosed at. At 26 you probably produce around that much naturally, so you are going to shut yourself down, possibly get side affects from the test, all to be about right where you started. I wouldn't throw winstrol in for your first time since it can be problematic with sides on it's own and you don't even know how you respond to test.

[jipped genes]

you dont wanna start with suspension (shots 2X ed) prop would be a better choice. also 20mg of winny is a low dose. and on a personal note i will never do winny without a nandrolone again due to bad joint pain from it.

[hitmansb]

I'd go with test prop 100mg EOD and winny (I'm assuming oral) 30mg ED for 6 weeks. No use going so low with your doses that you won't see any results...the above six-weeker is still quite conservative.

No need for hcg after such a short, mild cycle most likely.

[a-bomb83]

yeah, i'm with everybody else. not a big fan of that cycle. i'd either go with prop, or a single ester like cyp or enth and run some l-dex with it. i don't care how fast acting your gear is, i wouldn't run a 6 week cycle.

so to answer your question, NO i am not a fan of short cycles.

[chariots]

Thanks for your info guys. Just looking and testing the water for something conservative. Would a eight week cycle be better. I only can get my hands on TEST SUS and oral winny. The reason for a short cycle is the chance of a random test that I my be subject to :doggy: . I am keen to use, but don't want anyone to know.

Any suggestions

[hitmansb]

Well, nothing wrong with suspension and winny for 6-8 weeks. Just be prepared to shoot 50mg of test suspension every day rather than every other day. That along with 30mg of oral winny per day should give you what you're looking for.

[Lmg2701]

Here's some questions:

What are your goals, what does your diet look like, and why do you want to run anabolics?

[chariots]

Here is what I consumed today. Most days are the same.

600 2 whole eggs poached and 4 whites. 1 cup of oats with honey
900 apporx 120-150grams of steak with 1-2 cups of vegies
1130 apporx 120-150grams of Chicken with 1-2 cups of vegies and sweet potato
1400 apporx 120-150grams of steak with large garden salad
1700 pre work out Whole wheat pita wrap with chicken and sour cream
1745 post work out whey protien with 20g of maltidextrose mixed in
1830-1900 apporx 120-150grams of Chicken with 1-2 cups of vegies and potato
2100 shake with mainly casien protien

Also taking liquid creatine pre work out and a fish oil cap ED.

Goals
Looking on increase my lean muscle mass and increase my strength.

[Lmg2701]

Definitely want to look into Fina (Trenbolone Acetate).

It's primary benefits are increasing lean muscle mass and increasing strength. I think you would be very happy with it. Also in your meals I think you should up the portion size of the chicken 150 grams of cooked chicken is roughly 5 ounces which is roughly on 35 grams of protein. I try to get anywhere from 50-60 grams of protein per meal. Even more occasionally if I throw in ginger root. Good luck!

[chariots]

Lmg2701,

I have not heard much about Fina can you give me a quick run down.

[chariots]

Lmg2701,

did some research Fina sounds good is it also Tren? The thing that worries me is the detection time in the body.

[a-bomb83]

yes fina and tren are the same thing.

[Lmg2701]

Trenbolone Acetate is the active ingredient in Fina so everyone pretty much talks about them as being interchangable. You can read about Tren here:
http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=24600

The detection time is roughly 5 months according to what I've read. How long of a window for detection times do you have?

Suspension probably does have the shortest detection time as it has no ester and is in and out of the system very quickly. I haven't used it yet, but I hear most experience bloat with it.

[chariots]

I could be random tested at any time