gyno help

[lxorl]

quick history... only listing relivant cycles.

maybe 4 years ago i ran

Fina - 1CC Ed
EQ - 400mg weed
NO anti E.... 10 weeks... no gyno troubles

3 years ago

Fina 1CC ED
Prop 750mg Week
No anti E
Got minor gyno... puffy nipples and a small lump on one side... all signs didnt show up until the cycle was coming to an end.

Currently going into week 4 of the same cycle as above.. with milder dosages.

Fina - 1.5CC EOD
Prop - 1CC EOD

I started to notice the same lump flairing up about a week ago and added nolva at 20mgED... and have continude to increase it... Taking about 80ED for the past couple of days. my plan was 2 more months... dropping the Prop the last month. My real goal is leaning out, which i get great from fina. I am considering droping the prop now , because the gyno is a risk im not wanting to play with.

My question for experienced users is... do you think the gyno flair up is just the normal estrogen induced flair up that many get and subsides after? I am guessing its unlikely the tren causing it since i have used tren alone in the past at higher dosages with no problem?? I guess the question is what is the posibility it is the tren. I would hate to drop the prop... only to find out it is infact the tren causing it. I would be fine just finnishing out my cycle with tren alone.

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

If you are dosing Nolva at 80mg ED, and the gyno isn't subsiding then I have a hunch it could be raised prolactin levels caused by the tren which is causing progesterone gyno. Progesterone gyno cannot be treated by a SERM such as nolva....you need something such as bromocryptine (Parlodel) or cabergoline (dostinex) to treat it. If you cannot get your hands on either of these, I would try vitamin b6 or drop the tren, and continue with prop and nolva till the gyno subsides.

[lxorl]

sorry, forgot to include that i am using B6.... like i said only been using the nolva a few days... and i have run tren before at a much higher dosage with no problem.

If you are dosing Nolva at 80mg ED, and the gyno isn't subsiding then I have a hunch it could be raised prolactin levels caused by the tren which is causing progesterone gyno. Progesterone gyno cannot be treated by a SERM such as nolva....you need something such as bromocryptine (Parlodel) or cabergoline (dostinex) to treat it. If you cannot get your hands on either of these, I would try vitamin b6 or drop the tren, and continue with prop and nolva till the gyno subsides.

[spidey]

Sigh....It is so exasperating when people just regurgitate myths like that because that is what they heard when they were starting out.

Yes, SERMS can treat "progesterone" gyno. Without estrogen, you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone and you couldn't develop gyno; it absolutely requires estrogen to develop.

That being said, tren (a progestin) taken with an aromatizable AS like test is just begging for a case of gyno if your in the least prone to it. You will never block all of your estrogen receptors (nor should you) no matter how much nolva you take; your body is always making more. In fact, you may actually be upregulating your estrogen receptors through progestin mediated pathways. In the long run, this could be setting you up for even more trouble down the road; estrogen rebound is a bitch.

I would suggest dropping the cycle entirely; keep taking the nolva and start taking a prolactin lowering drug like cabergoline at something like 0.5 mg e3d. You should see some improvements within a couple weeks I would guess. Hopefully, it would be totally resolved within a few months. After you start to see some improvement though, I would drop the nolva dose to 60 mg ed for a week; 40 mg ed for another week and then 20 mg ed for the rest of your therapy. 80 mg ed is a very high dose of nolva and it isn't risk free.

[spidey]

sorry, forgot to include that i am using B6.... like i said only been using the nolva a few days... and i have run tren before at a much higher dosage with no problem.

If you have only been running nolva for a few days, why are you taking so much? 40 mg ed for a couple weeks followed by 20 mg ed for the rest is much safer.

[lxorl]

i wanted to try and narrow it down between the prop and tren... i figured if i ran the nolva high for a week or so and it subsided...t hen i had it narrowed down to the prop.

Like i said i had run tren alone before with no problem so i was assuming it was the prop causing it.

If you have only been running nolva for a few days, why are you taking so much? 40 mg ed for a couple weeks followed by 20 mg ed for the rest is much safer.

[kingj]

What would happen if you were to take to much nolva?

[house1]

Sigh....It is so exasperating when people just regurgitate myths like that because that is what they heard when they were starting out.

Yes, SERMS can treat "progesterone" gyno. Without estrogen, you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone and you couldn't develop gyno; it absolutely requires estrogen to develop.

That being said, tren (a progestin) taken with an aromatizable AS like test is just begging for a case of gyno if your in the least prone to it. You will never block all of your estrogen receptors (nor should you) no matter how much nolva you take; your body is always making more. In fact, you may actually be upregulating your estrogen receptors through progestin mediated pathways. In the long run, this could be setting you up for even more trouble down the road; estrogen rebound is a bitch.

I would suggest dropping the cycle entirely; keep taking the nolva and start taking a prolactin lowering drug like cabergoline at something like 0.5 mg e3d. You should see some improvements within a couple weeks I would guess. Hopefully, it would be totally resolved within a few months. After you start to see some improvement though, I would drop the nolva dose to 60 mg ed for a week; 40 mg ed for another week and then 20 mg ed for the rest of your therapy. 80 mg ed is a very high dose of nolva and it isn't risk free.

good stuff spidey

[spidey]

What would happen if you were to take to much nolva?

Symptoms of Nolvadex overdose may include:
Dizziness, overactive reflexes, tremor, unsteady gait.

Possible sides from nolva itself are (some of these are female only of course):

More common side effects may include:
Hot flashes, nausea, vomiting.


Less common side effects may include:
Bone pain, diarrhea, menstrual irregularities, skin rash, tumor pain, vaginal bleeding, vaginal discharge.


Rare side effects may include:
Blood clots, depression, distaste for food, dizziness, hair thinning or partial loss, headache, light-headedness, liver disorders, swelling of arms or legs, vaginal itching or dryness, visual problems.

nolva facts important to our setting: Nolva has drug interactions with both letrazole and bromo and should not be taken with those drugs.

[RUI-Products]

get some letrozole it is always the best thing for gyno

[ROCKETW19]

Sigh....It is so exasperating when people just regurgitate myths like that because that is what they heard when they were starting out.

Yes, SERMS can treat "progesterone" gyno. Without estrogen, you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone and you couldn't develop gyno; it absolutely requires estrogen to develop.

That being said, tren (a progestin) taken with an aromatizable AS like test is just begging for a case of gyno if your in the least prone to it. You will never block all of your estrogen receptors (nor should you) no matter how much nolva you take; your body is always making more. In fact, you may actually be upregulating your estrogen receptors through progestin mediated pathways. In the long run, this could be setting you up for even more trouble down the road; estrogen rebound is a bitch.

I would suggest dropping the cycle entirely; keep taking the nolva and start taking a prolactin lowering drug like cabergoline at something like 0.5 mg e3d. You should see some improvements within a couple weeks I would guess. Hopefully, it would be totally resolved within a few months. After you start to see some improvement though, I would drop the nolva dose to 60 mg ed for a week; 40 mg ed for another week and then 20 mg ed for the rest of your therapy. 80 mg ed is a very high dose of nolva and it isn't risk free.

very nice post bro im gonna have to give you some green dots at the top (rep)

[spidey]

get some letrozole it is always the best thing for gyno

I disagree. Nolva is tried and true and has been used effectively for gyno for decades. You just have to use some common sense with the dosages (like any drug). More is not better.

[lxorl]

i agree, i saw no great advantage when i used letro over nolva before.

I disagree. Nolva is tried and true and has been used effectively for gyno for decades. You just have to use some common sense with the dosages (like any drug). More is not better.

[beefcake]

i agree, i saw no great advantage when i used letro over nolva before.

Have you tried raloxifene?

[RUI-Products]

nolva won't do anything to reverse the gyno ...letro is more effective and it will reverse the lumps