6-8 weeker

[ROCKETW19]

Im not running HCG as I think it is too short for HCG but I will run nolva at the end of my cycle. 40,40, 20,20 (4 weeks)

YEP! that will work.

[lightsout6]

would nolva alone be enough or would chlomid also be needed, also, with my first cycle i started to take nolva every other day during the cycle casue i wanted to help prevent gyno, would this be nessarcy again or should i run the test prop alone for the 6-8 weeks without any other substances? Thanks alot, peace

[vicmack777]

would nolva alone be enough or would chlomid also be needed, also, with my first cycle i started to take nolva every other day during the cycle casue i wanted to help prevent gyno, would this be nessarcy again or should i run the test prop alone for the 6-8 weeks without any other substances? Thanks alot, peace

I would wait with the nolva until symptoms for gyno pop up.

[lightsout6]

sorry to post again but im still a little confused, ur saying that nolva would be the only needed drug for PCT, chlomid would not be necessary? Thanks guys

[shortz]

vic, IMO, you are going to regret using gear too early. You were 165lbs at 6'0'' when you did your first cycle. That is just way too early. Your gains on gear are going to be nothing in just a couple more cycles.

If you were only 165lbs, you don't have the diet and the training down like you think you do.

[vicmack777]

vic, IMO, you are going to regret using gear too early. You were 165lbs at 6'0'' when you did your first cycle. That is just way too early. Your gains on gear are going to be nothing in just a couple more cycles.

If you were only 165lbs, you don't have the diet and the training down like you think you do.

I dont think I have ever said that. You're assuming by the numbers I gave you.

I was 190 (actually 192, if you want to get critical). I then went up to about 215. I then lost a few during PCT and then some more during cutting. As I stand right now, im about 195 with a much better look than I started my last cycle at. Im at about 9% bodyfat compared to 14%.

Shortz, i know your just trying to help and I appreciate that but I got this shit down. You can believe that if you want to or you dont have to, I understand that also. Bottom line here, is that I didnt start this thread to be lectured. You can if you want to but to be honest, I really dont care because I know what im doing.

[vicmack777]

sorry to post again but im still a little confused, ur saying that nolva would be the only needed drug for PCT, chlomid would not be necessary? Thanks guys

Yes, that would be correct

[shortz]

My fault, I was just confused while trying to add things up.

[vicmack777]

My fault, I was just confused while trying to add things up.

No, i def hear ya. Im just saying that I got things down pretty well.

[Raider80]

Holla

From what I have learned from my cycles and what I have learned from this site, and again just me, I take 2 ccs of test eth for 10 weeks then hold till week 13 before I start pct. I then run clomid at

week 13 50 mgs of clomid everyday
week 14 25 mgs of clomid everyday
week 15 25 mgs of clomid every other day

nolva blocks the IGF-1 receptors makin AAS less effective, from what I have been told so I take no nolva, I do have it on hand just in case though.

Only use if needed.

Good Luck

[vicmack777]

From what I have learned from my cycles and what I have learned from this site, and again just me, I take 2 ccs of test eth for 10 weeks then hold till week 13 before I start pct. I then run clomid at

week 13 50 mgs of clomid everyday
week 14 25 mgs of clomid everyday
week 15 25 mgs of clomid every other day

nolva blocks the IGF-1 receptors makin AAS less effective, from what I have been told so I take no nolva, I do have it on hand just in case though.

Only use if needed.

Good Luck

Keep Reading. Im not saying that clomid is bad to take after a cycle, but you certainly can take nolva, and actually more people prefer the nolva to the clomid because of less sides.

[ludakris9]

muscle is made out of the gym with diet and rest, not lifting. get the diet down perfect before another cycle and youll see better results.

I think that is really good advice bro!

[Puma]

Vic,

I am with shortz on this one. I was 200 5'11 before I started on the stuff. And I did put on a bunch of weight from the gear, but the good thing is, now almost 2 months out, I have maintined most of it, because my body was almost there naturally.

I can tell you, if you gained 26 lbs from the amount of test you took, you probably could have gained about 20 in the same time without the test. I gained about 15 lbs from my last cycle (which I have kept), but I was on test, tren, and M1T, and at much higher doses. I think your having a bit of a placebo effect (I am on juice, I have to train harder and eat more). Not saying its bad, just my 2 cents on the issue.

If you have any, post up some pics, I want to get an idea of what you look like now. Its pretty easy to see if someone is beyond where they could be naturally.

Puma

vic, IMO, you are going to regret using gear too early. You were 165lbs at 6'0'' when you did your first cycle. That is just way too early. Your gains on gear are going to be nothing in just a couple more cycles.

If you were only 165lbs, you don't have the diet and the training down like you think you do.