Anti E/PCT discussion - give ur 2 cents

[wheyman]

I've been doing a lot of reading lately on PCT and anti-e's. As stated in a seperate thread I will be running deca/test and want to make sure that I have all my areas covered. I noticed on my last eq/test cycle that my nip started itching a bit so I was concerned.

It seems that there is a large debate as to what is the best anti e and the pct to go with. I know the norm for PCT is clomid/nolva, but I've read where nolva actually effects the IGF-1 hormone and is very toxic on the liver. I've read where a better alternative to nolva would be Reloxifene.

As far as an anti-e some say arimidex or letro and others say aromasin. Obviously letro can effect lipid cells which is something that none of us want to experience.

What are your thoughts? :hmmm:

[beefcake]

The studies on raloxifene are good, but they are limited. Raloxifene seems to have a positive effect on the lipid profile as well. However I have no idea how raloxifene would do for pct purposes. Aromasin is the best for an anti-e, if you're willing to pay the extra cost.

[wheyman]

The studies on raloxifene are good, but they are limited. Raloxifene seems to have a positive effect on the lipid profile as well. However I have no idea how raloxifene would do for pct purposes. Aromasin is the best for an anti-e, if you're willing to pay the extra cost.

Will the aromasin hinder gains while on cycle like the others would?

[beefcake]

Will the aromasin hinder gains while on cycle like the others would?

Not to a great deal. We all know that estrogen helps anabolism a little, but I don't think that elimanating it will hurt a lot. I know that letro has the benefit of increasing igf-1 levels too though. Look at it this way, would you rather risk gyno for a little extra muscle, or would you rather sacrifice that little bit to prevent gyno?

[wheyman]

Obviously I dont' want to risk gyno for anything. Letro sounds intrigueing, but the flip side to it is the libido factor..it tends to completely dry you out from what I understand.

[beefcake]

Obviously I dont' want to risk gyno for anything. Letro sounds intrigueing, but the flip side to it is the libido factor..it tends to completely dry you out from what I understand.

True, but that's usually if you use too much. Letro is strong enough to where you don't need that much to get it's benefits. I only use 1 squirt per day. That's .25mg's. No bloat, no gyno, no problem with libido. Lot of people use around 1.25 eod and it gives them those problems.

[wheyman]

:hmmm: So if you had your choice to pick letro or aromasin for free which would you go with?

[wheyman]

True, but that's usually if you use too much. Letro is strong enough to where you don't need that much to get it's benefits. I only use 1 squirt per day. That's .25mg's. No bloat, no gyno, no problem with libido. Lot of people use around 1.25 eod and it gives them those problems.

I checked out the letro and one squirt is actually 2.5..so if people are having problems with 1.25 then one squirt would definitely be too much right?

[beefcake]

I checked out the letro and one squirt is actually 2.5..so if people are having problems with 1.25 then one squirt would definitely be too much right?

If it was free i'd take the aromasin. 1ml is 2.5mg. Takes 10 squirts to make 1ml so 2.5mg divided by 10 would be .25mg.

[wheyman]

OIC..I thought 1 squirt = 1ml...Interesting...

[beefcake]

OIC..I thought 1 squirt = 1ml...Interesting...

I figured that's what you were thinking. They don't exactly advertise that either so how are you supposed to know any better?