Would like some opinions on precautions

[Marcus BMF]

Im going for a pretty basic cycle this winter and im wondering about if i should add something more to this cycle as precautions against things like gyno and such.
That thread with the pics of people who had it kind of made me think things through a few extra times.
When it comes to my diet its good im on 5000+ cal since my work involves a lot of physical things and i try to eat about every 2-2,5h and im at about 300g protein/day, i stick to complex carbs and avoid any unnecesary fat.

I have this as layout for the cycle:
Week 1-3 30mg/day d-bol
Week 1-12 500mg Test E (250mg twice a week)
Then i have stocked up on HCG for PCT and some extra just in case it would bee needed during the cycle, and of course nolvadex and clomid.
The thing i was thinking of was adding liquidex but since i dont have any expierince with that stuff, i would like some opinions on what dosage might be proper and if i should use through the whole cycle or just the first couple of weeks untill the D-bol is out, i have read everything from 0,25mg/day to 1mg/day or eod.
I also thought of using Nolva at 20-25mg/day but isnt estrogen good for the anabolic process as well, thats why i hasitated to add it to the cycle and save it for PCT instead, i dont think im prone to gyno or bloating since i havnt gotten either before but who knows better to be safe then sorry.
Maybe ill add clen at the end of the cycle and go on using it after the cycle mostly for its anti-catabolic properties, i i thought of proviron a bit to but i dont know to much about it yet havent taken the time to study up on that substance yet, but if someone suggests the use of it ill guess ill have to look into it.
Any pionters or suggestions are appreciated

[Skyefire]

Im going for a pretty basic cycle this winter and im wondering about if i should add something more to this cycle as precautions against things like gyno and such.
That thread with the pics of people who had it kind of made me think things through a few extra times.
When it comes to my diet its good im on 5000+ cal since my work involves a lot of physical things and i try to eat about every 2-2,5h and im at about 300g protein/day, i stick to complex carbs and avoid any unnecesary fat.

I have this as layout for the cycle:
Week 1-3 30mg/day d-bol
Week 1-12 500mg Test E (250mg twice a week)
Then i have stocked up on HCG for PCT and some extra just in case it would bee needed during the cycle, and of course nolvadex and clomid.
The thing i was thinking of was adding liquidex but since i dont have any expierince with that stuff, i would like some opinions on what dosage might be proper and if i should use through the whole cycle or just the first couple of weeks untill the D-bol is out, i have read everything from 0,25mg/day to 1mg/day or eod.
I also thought of using Nolva at 20-25mg/day but isnt estrogen good for the anabolic process as well, thats why i hasitated to add it to the cycle and save it for PCT instead, i dont think im prone to gyno or bloating since i havnt gotten either before but who knows better to be safe then sorry.
Maybe ill add clen at the end of the cycle and go on using it after the cycle mostly for its anti-catabolic properties, i i thought of proviron a bit to but i dont know to much about it yet havent taken the time to study up on that substance yet, but if someone suggests the use of it ill guess ill have to look into it.
Any pionters or suggestions are appreciated

Couple of things here, first off that is a nice basic cycle. you should do good. You might want the liquidex for the time that your on the dbol to keep the bloat down but really not for anything else. 500mg of test a week doesn't warrant an AI IMO. Nolvadex is a must have always. If nothing else one should run it 10mg a day for the lipid benefits while your on. This is just one of those cases where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. its cheap and effective and can prevent gyno so even if it does reduce gains slightly the trade off is well worth it.

Proviron is great stuff, I far prefer it to any of the other AIs due to its not completely killing off the estrogen (you need some) as well as increasing the effectiveness of some of the other steroids (dbol for instance, it does not do much for test as people once beleived). It is basically a methylated DHT derivative so the sides affects of DHT do apply here although give the normally low levels used this is not much of a problem. Also its unique in the methylated steroid category as it is nearly non liver toxic. (it is but just slightly) 50 mg a day is the normal dosage although 25 will work for some.

HCG is probably overkill here but if you want to use it (it will speed recovery) you should start running it 250iu twice a week throughout the cycle. (HCG should be used preventatively, not as part of the PCT) You should stop it before you go on PCT as it is suppressive.

I do not recommend clomid due to the sides and that it is less effective then nolvadex for PCT.

Here is what I would do
Week 1-4 30mg/day d-bol
Week 1 to 13 10mg of nolvadex a day
Optional: Week 1-4 25 to 50mg proviron a day
Week 1-12 500mg Test E (250mg twice a week)
Week 14 and 15 should start PCT with 40mg of nolvadex a day
Week 16 and 17 20mg of nolvadex a day

[Marcus BMF]

Yes well i would never do a cycle without HCG at hand for emergancys and to help the boost recovery when the cycle is over, but i am a bit sceptical to using it through the whole cycle i think i read in the profiles that to long use of it could desensitize the testicles to LH.
Wouldnt it be better then to start up the same dosage that you said in the middle of the cycle then instead and keep on it untill week 12, or if it would be needed i would start up on it sooner of course.
Well the clomid is something i allready had in stock thats why i added it to the PCT, i hate the stuff D-bol and test can give me some acne that stays in the facial region and is easily to keep at bay with 1000mg of vitamin C and regular face washing morning and evening, but with clomid i brake out like crazy.
But ill go with Nolvadex like you said that sounds like a good way to keep trouble away and ill just have to study up on proviron it seems to be very appriciated amoung thoose who use it.

[Skyefire]

SWALES PCT protocol(taken for a post at AM by theprolangtum)

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Origional link used: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/show...swales+protocol

Since this is the current hot topic, I figured I would post this:

 

Since I've been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my PCT Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.

Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!

Here it is:

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

[Marcus BMF]

Ahh point taken that sounds like alot of good arguments.