Which is better mass cycle??

[iceberg]

I am going to start next cycle in 3-4 weeks and the goal is to gain mass. I had originally thought to do:


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QV Test Enthanate 500mg weeks 1-12
QV Deca 300 mg weeks 1-11
denkall Dbol- 40mg ED weeks 1-6
QV oral Primo- 100 mg ED weeks 7-12
Liquidex- .5 mg EOD weeks 1-12

PCT
HCG 500 iu ED weeks 12-13 (10 days)
Clomid- 200 mg (14 days off), 100mg ED weeks 14, 50 MG ED weeks 15-16
Nolva- 40 mg ED weeks 14, 20 mg ED weeks 15-17


but was wondering if the following would be a better cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6
Test ENt 500 mg weeks 1-12
Fina 100 mg EOD weeks 7-12
EQ 400 mg weeks 1-12

same PCT

Just wanted opinions.

[num1son]

Your 2nd cycle will be a clean cycle compared to the top one... with the first cycle you will put on mass but lots of water lots of extra fullness, the 2nd will be slower mass developement but cleaner mass.
If you are afraid of cutting stick with the 2nd one.
If its me I want MASS MASS screw if its a combo of fat water etc I can cut easily... I'd go the first one. I personally can't handle 40mg of d-bol without nasty back pumps

K

[iceberg]

if I go with the second cycle, will 100 mg Fina EOD be enough. I have read that it might need to be 150mg EOD or 75 mg ED?

[Chadd77]

if I go with the second cycle, will 100 mg Fina EOD be enough. I have read that it might need to be 150mg EOD or 75 mg ED?

Have you used fina before? If not, I would stay at 100mg EOD.

[num1son]

if I go with the second cycle, will 100 mg Fina EOD be enough. I have read that it might need to be 150mg EOD or 75 mg ED?

ive done a lot of fina, and the sides are less if u run a lower dose constantly say 37.5mg ed will; be just fine... keep the femera and cabergoline just in case

K

[Skyefire]

if I go with the second cycle, will 100 mg Fina EOD be enough. I have read that it might need to be 150mg EOD or 75 mg ED?

that should be fine, one of the nice things about fina is that it is easy to increase the dosage later if you need. I would change up the EQ though, it takes 6 weeks to kick in so 12 weeks is kinda short. ether front load it or bet yet try a shorter ester boldolone

[ROCKETW19]

I am going to start next cycle in 3-4 weeks and the goal is to gain mass. I had originally thought to do:


(Below copied from previous post)

QV Test Enthanate 500mg weeks 1-12
QV Deca 300 mg weeks 1-11
denkall Dbol- 40mg ED weeks 1-6
QV oral Primo- 100 mg ED weeks 7-12
Liquidex- .5 mg EOD weeks 1-12

PCT
HCG 500 iu ED weeks 12-13 (10 days)
Clomid- 200 mg (14 days off), 100mg ED weeks 14, 50 MG ED weeks 15-16
Nolva- 40 mg ED weeks 14, 20 mg ED weeks 15-17


but was wondering if the following would be a better cycle:

Dbol 40mg ED weeks 1-6
Test ENt 500 mg weeks 1-12
Fina 100 mg EOD weeks 7-12
EQ 400 mg weeks 1-12

same PCT

Just wanted opinions.

for mass your gonna want the first cycle (of coarse everything depends on diet) your second cycle will give you lean gains like num said. your question about tren at 100mgs a day that would be about where i get gyno i stay around 350mgs a week but everyone is different. also your pct is a lil off IMO i would wait 3 weeks instead of 2 to start pct with nolva at 40/40/20/20 clomid at 100/100/50/50. i also wouldnt run the l-dex durring cycle unless your prone to gyno.(always have nolva on hand just in case) good luck

[Ashop]

either one could be used for mass gain. depending on how much your eating.

[iceberg]

It will be the first real time I try Fina. This cycle more then anything I am going to focus on eating to see how much of a difference it will make. Past cycles I have ate plenty, but not wth a conscious effort on the amount of food.
I think I will try the second cycle. Thaks for advice. I will adjust PCT and length of cycle t0 14 weeks.
I am still 3 weeks off before I start, as I want a good 8 weeks off between cycles, but I will keep you posted on gains.

[iceberg]

for mass your gonna want the first cycle (of coarse everything depends on diet) your second cycle will give you lean gains like num said. your question about tren at 100mgs a day that would be about where i get gyno i stay around 350mgs a week but everyone is different. also your pct is a lil off IMO i would wait 3 weeks instead of 2 to start pct with nolva at 40/40/20/20 clomid at 100/100/50/50. i also wouldnt run the l-dex durring cycle unless your prone to gyno.(always have nolva on hand just in case) good luck

Why are you suggesting to cut out the idex? Is it because it hampers some gains and is only needed for higher dose cycles then the one I am planning?

If so, should I take nolva throughout the cycle. I thought that I should take something that inhibits some estrogen.

What are your thoughts on HCG?

[num1son]

It will be the first real time I try Fina. This cycle more then anything I am going to focus on eating to see how much of a difference it will make. Past cycles I have ate plenty, but not wth a conscious effort on the amount of food.
I think I will try the second cycle. Thaks for advice. I will adjust PCT and length of cycle t0 14 weeks.
I am still 3 weeks off before I start, as I want a good 8 weeks off between cycles, but I will keep you posted on gains.

first time on fina run only 37.5mg ed nothing more, it will be plenty

K

[Curls4dGirls]

first time on fina run only 37.5mg ed nothing more, it will be plenty

K

Solid advice, bro. I ran Nexus Labs Fina at 25 mgs ED, and it was plenty strong.

[num1son]

Solid advice, bro. I ran Nexus Labs Fina at 25 mgs ED, and it was plenty strong.

Yah fina is strong stuff, i said 37.5mg ed since its usually .5cc of most brews out there

K

[num1son]

24 weeks is gonna be tough to run a 12 week bulker then a 12 week cutter, you would be giving yourself no time off... also if you got too sloppy during that 12 week bulker you are only giving yourself 12 weeks to cut and I like to play it safe and go 14 giving you that extra week to make final adjustments

K

[hitmansb]

I definately like the second cycle better.