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    Ok, first the disclaimer, I am not a doctor or anyone else that you should be listening to for advice on anything. As always with anything I write you should remember the adage about free advice. Having said that I think that these are some very good arguments against these particular steroids and would welcome other opinions.

    Halotestin, AKA Halo, chemical name fluoxymesterone.
    This one come into vogue once in a while and you will see people adding it to stacks as a hardener. This is really a stupid practice, all other considerations aside it doesn’t harden or lean you out that much to start with, it will give you some good strength increases and drastically increase your aggression (in some people this is very pronounced) but it is actually less effective then other items that are ether non-toxic or far less toxic. And speaking of toxic it is 10 to 20 times more liver toxic then Oxymetholone (Drol) mg per mg. The sole semi-legitimate use is for competitive weight lifters that are not drug tested and can’t afford to gain any weight. The best summation I have seen about this is from Big Cat
    With the exception of perhaps anadrol, Halotestin is the single most dangerous steroid to use. Its liver toxicity is unrivaled and you wouldn't be the first person to end up in the hospital with jaundice and dangerously elevated liver values after a hefty cycle of fluoxymesterone. My question has often been simply "Why?". Fluoxymesterone has a low anabolic capacity. The results in mass would be small to non-existent. Qualitatively similar gains as one would book with trenbolone, but tren would go for equal or less money, deliver three times the gains and wouldn't be half as risky to use. Therefore the sole marked use of fluoxymesterone that is actually warranted is that by power- and weightlifters seeking to boost strength while remaining in a set weight class.
    Note that he says that anadrol is more dangerous, that is only true given the relative differences in the dosage (10 to 20mg a day for halo and 100 to 200mg a day for drol.). And this was written before M1T.

    Anadrol. AKA Drol, chemical name Oxymetholone.
    This is always a popular steroid as nothing else will put on mass faster. There is however a heavy price in terms of side affects. What bothers me most about this steroid though is that there is a safer, and nearly as effective drug that readily available, namely Dianabol (Dbol). You only have to run maybe a quarter of the dosage of anadrol and it is no more liver toxic mg per mg. It also has less side affects. It may not be as powerful as anadrol but it is far safer, not to mention pleasant as anadrol tends to make you feel sick and kill your appetite while dianabol can actually make you feel good (some people still get sick from it though). My other argument against anadrol is the simple amount of it you have to take for the effective dose. 100 to 200mg a day is equal to 700 to 1.4 grams a week. You could run twice as much test and get nearly the same gains and still be healthier then use the anadrol. You would in fact be better off raising the dosage on you inject able steroids and using dianabol instead of the anadrol. This is just not a drug that can really be justified in using given that there are better alternatives.

    Methyl-1-testosterone, AKA M1T
    The name is something of a misnomer as 1- testosterone is not accurate chemical depiction. How ever that may be 1-testosterone proved to be a fair steroid in its own right despite absorbs ion and delivery problems. Then someone got the idea of methylating the 1-testosterone and M1T was bone. In a nutshell this stuff works and works well, it is more potent then fluoxymesterone while bring good mass building into the equation. It is also one of the harshest steroids ever made. It is more liver toxic then halotestin (just how bad has been the subject of much debate) while having sides not unlike anadrol. It is so harsh in fact that many users cycled it in 2 week intervals to reduce the damage. M1Ts main claim to fame is that it was once a legal pro-hormone. As it is no longer legal (or will not remain so) there is just no reason to use this. However many people stockpiled this stuff and feel compelled to use it. This is again a case of having a wide array of better and safer options.

    Cheque Drops, AKA Mibolerone.
    If you don’t know what these are then you haven’t hung around the old school long enough. The most powerful steroid ever it is so toxic that even a few mg a day is a fatal dose. The only real use is to induce roid rage before an event. That’s it. No real value beyond that if you can call it value. I really should not even have to mention this one but it has shown up in the last couple of years and still is used in boxing and other such sports. Good way to kill yourself.

    Methyl-testosterone
    It has about 3 to 4 times the sides of Dianabol with about the same effect. Enough said.

    Winstrol, AKA Stromba, AKA winny chemical name Stanozolol
    I think I am going to get flamed for this one but I can back this up. Stanozolol is popular for mainly its hardening effects. It’s great for cutting. Unfortunately it has a great many side affects not all of which are immediately apparent. The obvious ones are the joint pain and dryness. Stanozolol dries you out bad, this causes joints to lose there lubrication and can cause serous damage especially if done too much. One of the not so obvious sides is the tendency to weaken the connective tissues. The irony here is that it does so by increasing the collagen production along with increasing the size of the tendons and ligaments. The problem is that it decreases the cross linking of the protein structures. This makes for large brittle tendons. Not to mention the strain on the joints due to the lack of lubrication. All this while you’re getting stronger then ever. Not a good deal.

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    You go me thinking on the winny. I used it fr the first time this year with test and put on a massive amount of weight and strength was exceptional.

    However, six weeks after my pct my shoulders felt terrible and after seeing a physio, it was established I had done some damage to my bicep tendon. As this tendon travels up into the shoulder region, I assumed it was maybe an AC joint or something else to do with my delts.

    At the end of the day It could have been any number of things, I had only ever used test for all my previous cycles so the only variable with my AAS was the winny.

    Interesting points though Skyfire.

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    • #3
      I have to agree with you on the winny. I love the stuff but it kills your joints and dehydrates you severly. I would only use it if I had too. I have being using it for years, but it kills my joints. I have quit using it because of all the joint pain it has caused, but I am afraid it is too late, the pain is not going away. I pop mobic and celebrex like candy just so i can go workout. I compete in powerlifting and it sucks when your joints constantly hurt you. I have always used winny to help me make my weight, but it has definitely caused some long term effects!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Skyefire
        Methyl-1-testosterone, AKA M1T
        The name is something of a misnomer as 1- testosterone is not accurate chemical depiction. How ever that may be 1-testosterone proved to be a fair steroid in its own right despite absorbs ion and delivery problems. Then someone got the idea of methylating the 1-testosterone and M1T was bone. In a nutshell this stuff works and works well, it is more potent then fluoxymesterone while bring good mass building into the equation. It is also one of the harshest steroids ever made. It is more liver toxic then halotestin (just how bad has been the subject of much debate) while having sides not unlike anadrol. It is so harsh in fact that many users cycled it in 2 week intervals to reduce the damage. M1Ts main claim to fame is that it was once a legal pro-hormone. As it is no longer legal (or will not remain so) there is just no reason to use this. However many people stockpiled this stuff and feel compelled to use it. This is again a case of having a wide array of better and safer options.
        Everything i've read stated that the hepatoxicity of M1T was overexagerated. Good info. The gains just aren't worth it.

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        • #5
          :bravonew: agree with all of it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by beefcake
            Everything i've read stated that the hepatoxicity of M1T was overexagerated. Good info. The gains just aren't worth it.
            I have heard that but the two people that I know that ran real studies (ones that included multible blood test and comparasons to other steriods) both showed MIT just wreaking the liver profiles. That may not equate to actual damage but it is highly suggestive. The one guy compared his M1T at 10 mg a day to his 150mg a day anadrol. The M1T had produce a worse profile in two weeks then the abombs had in almost 6.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Skyefire
              I have heard that but the two people that I know that ran real studies (ones that included multible blood test and comparasons to other steriods) both showed MIT just wreaking the liver profiles. That may not equate to actual damage but it is highly suggestive. The one guy compared his M1T at 10 mg a day to his 150mg a day anadrol. The M1T had produce a worse profile in two weeks then the abombs had in almost 6.

              haha sweet! Im glad i ran m1t for 4 weeks... :(

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              • #8
                how bout DNP... is that another we can add to the list or since its not a steroid is that why its off?

                K

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Skyefire
                  I have heard that but the two people that I know that ran real studies (ones that included multible blood test and comparasons to other steriods) both showed MIT just wreaking the liver profiles. That may not equate to actual damage but it is highly suggestive. The one guy compared his M1T at 10 mg a day to his 150mg a day anadrol. The M1T had produce a worse profile in two weeks then the abombs had in almost 6.
                  I actually had a very bad experience with M1T. after my cycle of it the doctor diagnosed me with "Drug Induced Hepatitis C". the reason for this is because my liver count was 4x over what the your AST (liver panel) should be. The highest is 50 on the panel and mine was around 225. also my LDL was 300 and my HDL was like 12. also my left ventricular wall of my heart grew 2x the size due to the water weight, and my resting b/p was 220/80. also they said it looked like i was haveing renal kidney failure. my cardiologist was VERY shocked i didnt have a stroke while i was working out. i will get a copy of my blood work just so i can show you guys how bad it is.
                  Last edited by daddy1122; 10-30-05, 04:39 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by num1son
                    how bout DNP... is that another we can add to the list or since its not a steroid is that why its off?

                    K
                    its not a steroid, but it is certainly nothing to take lightly

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