wtf, my hcg and nuts

[rude]

I have a few questions, how long does it take for HCG to bring back the mass in the balls? I know it should go to work as soon as you inject it but how long till their is a visual difference?

I have been taking HCG for the last 2 weeks, the first week I did 2 shots of 500iu. I then changed my mind since my nuts have been small for a while now ( http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=26339 ) so I changed my shots half way in to 500iu two days on/two days off.

I have taken a total of 7 shots so far and my nuts are still the same, small throught the day and near normal size at night, my erections are a dot better and my sexual drive has increased though. Im taking nolva as well to prevent gyno.

How long does this stuff usually take to get things back to normal? I have been reading around, I have found posts of people getting their nuts back after 3 shots, and I have seen posts of people on their 3rd week and their nuts are barely coming back. Im getting so pissed, I was already going to start my prop only cycle, but now im worried since my nuts are back to normal size yet.

Any thoughts and suggestions? I checked the box my hcg came in and it doesnt expire till july 07.

[Stonecold54]

what was your last cycle? and how long ago?

[rude]

what was your last cycle? and how long ago?

It was a var only cycle (dumb I know) and it was slightly over 2 years ago, here is the thread where I explained what happened (copy and paste)...............

Ok, guys here is a long thread and detailed, I need all of you guys opinion on this. First let me explain what my situation is, and my solution for it.

Ok, just over two years ago, I did a var only cycle 25mg-40mg a day for nearly 4 months. The reason why I did this dumb cycle was becuase back then the belief was var didnt suppress your natty test levels, so I figured I would try it, gain some strength and another dumb reason.

I didnt do PCT since the belief was I woudnt need it, var is a girl steroid, blah,blah. I started noticing the effects the var had on my body, I lost my libedo near completly, would take a good amount of action to get an erection and my balls were near gone (maybe it was becasing I didnt use test and 4 months is so long). I tried to let my body recover on its own, but a few months of that crap, was more then enough for me.

I did Clomid PCT, that december but it had nearly no effect on me at all, balls stayed the same and libedo increased a dot. I then started taking trib, and my balls come back to normal size for a while but then left soon after, the trib had a stronger effect on me then the clomid as hard as that is to believe.

Now, over the next year, my libedo and everthing kept increasing but no where near 100%, so I did Clomid PCT again last december, this time it had a way better effect on me, my nuts came back to near full size and my libedo is near normal just not to the same extent (I get erections more often but their not as "hard" and etc like they once were).

Now, present time and since that last PCT of clomid, my nuts are litterly near normal size at night, but during the day they shrink back down, I guess my body is still trying to reach homeostasis and recover (spidey, skyefire could put this part in better words then I can). Or if I have to do the restroom, my balls will shrink up big time. My balls are near normal size I would estimate 70% of the time during present day.

Today, I feel good, my strentgh is coming back to what it once was, im a bit more sexually active with my girlfriend, I feel like im nearly better but just not there yet, I assume my balls still shrinking shows that my body is a bit suppressed still from that crappy ass cycle.

Before anyone gives me crap, I did see a few doctors about this, I actually saw 4 of them, the 3 doctors that I was refered to, a urilogist, endo, and family doc all said my test levels were low and my nuts were a bit small but since my blood test came out in the range, they coudnt give me anything at all. One doctor, actually the main doctor that refered me to the endo and urologist, didnt like my test levels at all since I was 21 at the time, and felt my balls were way to small, he said I probably got acuired hypogondasim (sp). With some treatment, I will be fine its just not good for me. He said the exact same things Doctor John told me from all things male. Doctor John also feels that series damage to my body is probably unlikely.

I had posted this question during the time, and I always got the same great advice from many of the posters here and on other boards, to take HCG and nolva, the clomid didnt have a effect on me. Here are a few threads on this board I made......

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbull...ead.php?t=19725

I wasnt able to follow this advice since I had gone to mex many times and coudnt find HCG to save my life, 2 weeks ago or so, I finally found HCG in mexico and I have it.


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[ROCKETW19]

shit bro i realy have no clue but if it were me id throw everything including the kitchen sink at it. proviron,clomid,nolva and hcg.

[Skyefire]

don't through that sink, that will hurt them even if they are small. If you have been shut down all this time it will take some time to get them back. If I were you I would stop the 500iu dosage and go to 250iu ed or eod if you don't have enough and run it for about 3 to 4 weeks. if it dosen't work by then it isn't going to. I would also run the nolvadex with it, 20mg ed then start a long nolvadex ruetine after your done with the HCG.

[hitmansb]

I agree with skye....it will take an extended period to get them back most likely, so go with smaller doses over a prolonged period of time. I'd also run some clomid at some point in there, since you never did a proper PCT. Nolvadex during hcg/clomid and for a good while (think 4 weeks) after.

[Skyefire]

Also remember that the varation in size over the day is not hormone related, more to do with tempature and fluid consideration. They don't change there mean size over a day.

[ROCKETW19]

don't through that sink, that will hurt them even if they are small. If you have been shut down all this time it will take some time to get them back. If I were you I would stop the 500iu dosage and go to 250iu ed or eod if you don't have enough and run it for about 3 to 4 weeks. if it dosen't work by then it isn't going to. I would also run the nolvadex with it, 20mg ed then start a long nolvadex ruetine after your done with the HCG.

what will hurt them more? like i said i realy have no clue but am curious in case it ever happens to me. im guessin the proviron!

[Skyefire]

what will hurt them more? like i said i realy have no clue but am curious in case it ever happens to me. im guessin the proviron!

ah, that part was a joke, you sugested throwing the sink at his nuts and I said that would hurt, get it?

[ROCKETW19]

ah, that part was a joke, you sugested throwing the sink at his nuts and I said that would hurt, get it?

oops my bad bro i never seen your funny side!

[swampwood]

Although if you was to hit them with something..They should swell up pretty quick..lol

[house1]

don't through that sink, that will hurt them even if they are small. If you have been shut down all this time it will take some time to get them back. If I were you I would stop the 500iu dosage and go to 250iu ed or eod if you don't have enough and run it for about 3 to 4 weeks. if it dosen't work by then it isn't going to. I would also run the nolvadex with it, 20mg ed then start a long nolvadex ruetine after your done with the HCG.

and if this doesnt work its time to go see a urologist

[rude]

Ok, update time and another question, first my question

How suppressed will I be once I stop taking the HCG? Im assuming very little since I didnt take any steroids with it?

My update, I was doing fine, I had taken HCG for 5 straight days and decided to take 4 days off from the HCG since I have been taken a good amount for nearly 2 weeks already. Well during those 4 days my nuts were back, no shrinking at all, large all day and night, plus libedo was back. After the 4 day break, I took I took another shot of HCG (500iu) and the same, balls still big and libedo there. Then I took another day off since I realized I didnt have a large enough needle to draw out the new bottle of HCG (I take my shots at night). That was the last time I diddnt take a shot, its been 6 days in a row I have taken 500iu of HCG, but now my nuts are gone again?????? Any reason for this? I felt good and back to normal and after that, my nuts have been shrunken again. Any idea why this happened?

[rude]

don't through that sink, that will hurt them even if they are small. If you have been shut down all this time it will take some time to get them back. If I were you I would stop the 500iu dosage and go to 250iu ed or eod if you don't have enough and run it for about 3 to 4 weeks. if it dosen't work by then it isn't going to. I would also run the nolvadex with it, 20mg ed then start a long nolvadex ruetine after your done with the HCG.

Thats what im doing except at 500iu since I have enough HCG.

[rude]

and if this doesnt work its time to go see a urologist

I may, but I have already seen 2 family docs, a uro, an endo, and somehow I saw an ortho lol and I got my blood checked. The family doc's agreed I needed help, and the endo said my nuts were small but not enough to give me anything. (he took out a large necklace with how the nuts size should be at certain ages and said, mmmmmm, looks like your fine).