Came here because I've hit a wall

[daf2]

Practically all back exercises work traps--after a good back workout my traps are always tired and sore the next day.

Practically all shoulder exercises work the traps--after a good shoulder workout my traps are always tired and sore the next day. Trap involvement on this day can be limited by keeping raises to a level no higher than parallel, but with certain exercises (like presses), its impossible not to use a lot of traps in the movement.

If I work out my back and fatigue my traps to a reasonable degree, the next day when i attempt to use my traps as a secondary mover in an exercise like the military press, they will be severely limited in their strength/endurance. Traps become the weak link in the team of muscles that allows for the press movement and thus hold everything else back.

Traps are a puling muscle and have no involvement in presses. If your traps are sore after shoulders, you are obviously doing something wrong. Only posssible way traps could be sore after a shoulder workout is from ridiculously heavy upright rows which i doubt you do and doing later raises(too hevay of a weight) incorrectly by shrugging at the top of the motion and swinging them upwards. Also, the only exercises for back that would really fatigue your traps would be bent over rows or possibly a hamemr strength high row that pulls upwards and maybe even t-bar rows.

The advice knoxy was seeking has nothing to do with his back workout followed by a trap workout.

[coffee-guy]

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...lderPress.html

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http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusMiddle.html

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusLower.html

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusUpper.html

Specific functions that these three heads of the muscle fulfill include upward rotation and elevation.

I'm not going to post up every back and shoulder exercise and explain to you how the trapezius is fundamentally involved in it-- do it yourself and you will see the pattern...

This thread was to help this guy, not to argue about whether or not traps are involved in back and shoulder exercises.


ST--You are missing the point. As you said yourself, your traps get sore after a back day. If you are like this guy and work shoulders the day after back, it should be abundantly clear by now that his shoulder workout will suffer.

I have to agree here...

[daf2]

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...lderPress.html

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http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusMiddle.html

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusLower.html

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/TrapeziusUpper.html

Specific functions that these three heads of the muscle fulfill include upward rotation and elevation.

I'm not going to post up every back and shoulder exercise and explain to you how the trapezius is fundamentally involved in it-- do it yourself and you will see the pattern...

This thread was to help this guy, not to argue about whether or not traps are involved in back and shoulder exercises.


ST--You are missing the point. As you said yourself, your traps get sore after a back day. If you are like this guy and work shoulders the day after back, it should be abundantly clear by now that his shoulder workout will suffer.

yes they are used but my point was not to an extent where it they would be significantly fatigued or worked.