SD vs. Dbol for frontloading

[metalmarty]

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[daf2]

what was your diet and training like in comparison for both of the cycles?

[spidey]

Superdrol gave me much better gains than Dbol BUT superdrol also proved more toxic to me than dbol too. My liver was slightly enlarged and my lipid profile was EXTREMELY affected. My HDL value was 8 and my LDL was 255! If I had any other risk factors, that would make me a walking heart attack. Also, after about 3 weeks, I was so nausious I could barely eat and I ended up losing about half my gains because I couldn't eat.

Definitely take large doses of r-ALA and vitamin C for liver support and polycosanol and flush free niacin for cholesterol control.

[spidey]

Spidey, thanks for the feedback. I am getting my bloodwork done in a week or so; I always do right before and a month after every cycle of anything. My first cycle had practically no effect on my bloodwork a month after, and there were no visible side effects from SD, so I hope I am in good condition to start my new cycle. I will definitely be taking the precautions you mentioned. I was just wondering, how do you find out if your liver is enlarged?

I layed on the table on my back with my arms over my head and the doctor took his fingers and thumped on my belly over my liver. The tone changes when he thumps on the liver as opposed to where the liver ends. By thumping around he outlined my liver. He took a measurement (with a tape) and told me it was slightly enlarged.

[Control]

First off, frontloading and kickstarting aren't the same thing. Second, I wouldn't do either one. Just stick with the test and EQ.

[Jarconis]

might give tbol a whirl

[Ashop]

Does anyone have any opinions on kickstarting a ten week cycle of 500mg/wk test enanthate and 200mg/wk tren enanthate with superdrol instead of dbol? I do not want a lecture on side effects- I have run both, and I know the side effects and proper precautions. I am looking for an honest assessment of expected gains. Reason being I once ran a ten week cycle of 500mg/wk omnadren and 400mg/wk boldenone frontloaded with 30mg/day dbol for the first five weeks, and I somehow managed to make slightly better gains off a four week cycle of only superdrol about a year later.

i know the dbol would do you fine...i have yet to experiment much with superdrol.

[Control]

I apologize for any incorrect use of terms. But anyway, most people believe that gains from the orals will be solidified by the test, and ultimately add to the quality of the cycle. Also, I want to base the cycle off test and tren. If I had enough money, I would leave out the orals and add 800mg/wk of EQ, but orals are cheap and supposedly effective. I gained some solid weight from SD.

My bad, test and tren is what I meant to say. I like tren acetate better than tren enanthate, but I'm guessing you don't want to inject EOD. I've never tried Superdrol, but I've always liked Anadrol better than Dbol. I don't really take orals anymore, but if I was gonna take one it would be Anadrol, or maybe Tbol.

[joe bigboy]

i've always gained alot better from anadrol than dbol, but i usually feel like shit the whole time i'm on it

[Control]

i've always gained alot better from anadrol than dbol, but i usually feel like shit the whole time i'm on it

The last time I took it I drank shit-loads of water and took lots of milk thistle and ALA. I had some pressure in my head the first few days but after that I was fine.

[spidey]

How much SD did you use for that to happen? I was taking 20mg for the first two weeks and 30mg for the last two weeks.

20 mg ed for about 3.5 weeks.

[pockethercules]

I'm with control, I use to take orals to kickstart my cycle. I don't do it anymore. I would start off great and then kind of crash when I got off of the orals then after a couple of weeks I would start to see gains again, but the intensity was never the same after the orals. I like it when I have continous gains throughout the cycle and you stay excited because you are getting stronger everytime you go to the gym. With the orals I jumped quick then lost and then gained some back, but never got back to where I was while on the orals.

The last time I kickstarted a cycle was 40mg dbol for 5 weeks with 750 test e and 500 eq. for 12 weeks. I gained 18 lbs. in the first five weeks then lost 11 lbs. then gained 4 lbs. back. So total I gained 11 lbs. but my intensity was never the same after the orals so I feel like I would have done better to have not taken any orals at all. JMO.