Third Cycle critique

[Severedties]

week
1-12 500mg Testosterone Enanthate
1-11 500mg EQ
1-4 35mg Dbol
5-12 250iu HCG e3d
1-12 .5mg Liquidex eod

PCT
14-16 40mg Nolvadex 100mg clomid ed
16-18 20mg Nolvadex 50mg clomid ed

I am just concered about the hcg/liquidex dosing.
I am pretty sure that i will be using these dosages of eq/enan/dbol, but have still not decided exactly how the hcg should be dosed. There are so many conflicting opinions. I figured if I layed out exactly what I am doing, someone would be able to give an accurate reason of why to dose the hcg like this or not.


Calories will start at 4500 calories and go up as necessary. I eating 4000 now and maintaining bodyweight. Food is clean.

[go Yankees]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

might also be hepful to mention your stats so we can discuss your calories...how much protein are you eating?

[ROCKETW19]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

i disagree i just finished a 6month cycle of test 750mgs and EQ 800mgs while takin hcg 2 times a week at 250ius. i totally recovered by the 6th week. i got the idea from spidey and i belive it realy helped. im gonna do it that way again for all my cycles. i also belive swals has a post about this same thing workin and if im not mistaken hes a doctor.

[Severedties]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

might also be hepful to mention your stats so we can discuss your calories...how much protein are you eating?

Calories are not an issue. I am taking in 4000 calories now, and am not on.

I take in roughly 350 protein, 100 fat, and ~450 carbs.
I will up the carbs and protein as necessary to increase caloric intake. I am not concerned with the diet, i have it under control. I am interested in feedback on dosing.

[Severedties]

Swales protocal recommends 250-500iu of hcg twice a week.
I am unsure of the dosing, since I have not run hcg. Would you all recommend 500 or 250?

[bowbow]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

might also be hepful to mention your stats so we can discuss your calories...how much protein are you eating?

It is best to run hcg during cycle, Hcg does nothing to stimulate natural test production. It just keeps your testes full or brings them back to size so your clomid or nolva for pct has an easier job of getting your natural test production going.

[ROCKETW19]

Swales protocal recommends 250-500iu of hcg twice a week.
I am unsure of the dosing, since I have not run hcg. Would you all recommend 500 or 250?

i used it at 250ius 2 times a week and it worked great for me!

[Lmg2701]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

This comment is incorrect.


Severedties, you have done your research and everything you have there is right on key (even your hcg dosages).

As far as PCT goes I don't think I'm going to combine Clomind and Nolvadex anymore and I think I will go with only Nolva but hey, that's up to you.

The only thing I'm going to comment on is from my personal experience and that being your EQ dosage. I have run EQ multiple times for 10 week sat 400mg and then at 600mg for 12 weeks. I noticed nothing.

I have read however that the dosages need to be high on EQ to get the desired results and I also heard you have to run EQ for a prolonged length of time. So the next cycle I'm going to do is going to have EQ at 900mg per week for 15 weeks.....If I don't see the desired results from that then no more EQ for me.

Now it has also been said that my EQ may have just been underdosed and that a legit dose of 600mg of EQ per week would definitely suffice. But just to be safe I'm going to run it like I've stated. Good luck and happy growing! Let us know how the cycle goes.

[Ironweb]

I would also suggest running eq longer at 600 mg for at least 12 weeks. Other than that your cycle looks well thought out. Enjoy your time on.

[daf2]

I've heard that running HCG while you're on isn't worthwhile; there's no sense in trying to stimulate your testosterone production when you're still running test

might also be hepful to mention your stats so we can discuss your calories...how much protein are you eating?

check out swale's protocol on hcg

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...omid+hcg+horse

[daf2]

Swales protocal recommends 250-500iu of hcg twice a week.
I am unsure of the dosing, since I have not run hcg. Would you all recommend 500 or 250?

250 since the cyce is not too harsh and it will be the first time with hcg

[daf2]

plus you can always bump it from the 250 if you feel it is inadequate when you start

[Severedties]

I will be bumping the EQ to 600. The legnth of time is still in the air. I have more than enough of it to go around, I will play that part by ear. I will see how I am responding and adjust it accordingly.

HCG will be at 250iu.

[Skyefire]

Swales protocal recommends 250-500iu of hcg twice a week.
I am unsure of the dosing, since I have not run hcg. Would you all recommend 500 or 250?

250iu of hcg per dose. if you feel the need (that is if the 500 a week doesn't keep the boys happy) simple use 3 doses a week. Swales has said many times that he would not care if they ran it several days a week. he clearly favores low dosages spread out over time on the hcg. This is due to the belief that too much can be toxic to certain cells and screw things up. (I simplified this) I can tell you from personal experance that this works well and I have never heard anything bad about doing this. Almost everybody that has tried this has had positive results,

That is a lot of ldex to be taking with this cycle. I can see that while your on the dbol but 500mg a week or test just really doesn't warent a AI IMO. if your worried about gyno with the hcg ( using low dosages I have never heard of a problem) just run a little nolvadex instead. I prefer proviron for the dbol anyways.

I agree with Lmg2701 on the clomid. even if both did help recover faster it isn't worth the sides.

Also agree with Ironweb about the EQ as half of your 12 cycle will pass before it kicks in. go read this about the longer esters http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ht=long+esters

[Severedties]

I will bump the cycle to 14 weeks, but I cannot go much longer than that due to scheduling.
Skyefire: If I were to drop the Arimidex dosing to .25mg eod would that be better? I realize it is may be a bit overkill, but on my previous cycles of 500mg test alone, I have felt strong gyno sides. I have always kept them under control with AI's.
Would .25mg eod get the job done?