Best to stack Test with?

[Iron1]

I'm trying to put together my second cycle. 1st was 8 weeks of test e and it did pretty well. Put on 15 lbs while leaning out considerably. Should have run it longer, I know now. My goal is to add mass. I don't want to add any fat if I can avoid it but mass is my main consideration. I'm 49, 5'8" 200 lbs. I've lifted all my life and this is my 2nd cycle. The base of my cycle will be 600mg of test enanthate. I want to add in a 2nd compound but I'm not sure what. EQ is my 1st choice but I hear a lot of conflicting info, anywhere from it causing stress to being useless to being great.
My question is should I add in the EQ or something different or maybe just stick to test at maybe a higher dose? Thanks

[Mr I]

You sound like a good weight already and I'm reckoning maybe another 10-15 lb is as high as you wanna go. Eq in my experience is great with test, in fact I've got 3 x 10ml multi's ready to go with a load of test enanth myself.

you might want some nolvadex or pro viron at 600mg (I think 500-600 mg is the right level btw) and definately get some hcg for PCT.

I recommend eq but otherwise 30mg anavar would also give a good balance

[Chadd77]

I've also heard that you have to run eq longer then most compounds to get the full effect. I have ran it with test for 12 weeks with little to no difference then another cycle of just test. My next cycle I plan on running it 16+ weeks. Hoping I notice a difference.

As long as your diet is dialed in you shouldn't have to worry about adding fat.

I'm guessing you have your anti e's and PCT in place, right?

[GearTripper]

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[Iron1]

You sound like a good weight already and I'm reckoning maybe another 10-15 lb is as high as you wanna go. Eq in my experience is great with test, in fact I've got 3 x 10ml multi's ready to go with a load of test enanth myself.

you might want some nolvadex or pro viron at 600mg (I think 500-600 mg is the right level btw) and definately get some hcg for PCT.

I recommend eq but otherwise 30mg anavar would also give a good balance

Thanks, I had planned to run Nolva at 10mg a day and HCG at one shot a week of 250-300iu's

[Iron1]

what compounds did your first cycle consists of and why are you jumping to 600mg of test (assuming per week) for your second cycle? i'll never understand where newbies to cycling get their info... that they have to use soo damn much early on. granted you're 49 y/o, but even if your natty test production is nill, your body should respond very well to a much lower dosage. why the overkill?

Point taken. Thought I might need more because I've hit my natural limit. I guess it's the more is better syndrome if I was to be honest. Maybe I'll just run 12-14 weeks of just 500 test again. I only ran test on my last (1st) cycle and it did real well. I guess it's stupid to think that I can't grow on just 500 anymore. Is there any real advantage to adding in EQ at this point?

[GearTripper]

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[Iron1]

I've also heard that you have to run eq longer then most compounds to get the full effect. I have ran it with test for 12 weeks with little to no difference then another cycle of just test. My next cycle I plan on running it 16+ weeks. Hoping I notice a difference.

As long as your diet is dialed in you shouldn't have to worry about adding fat.

I'm guessing you have your anti e's and PCT in place, right?

Thanks. Yep, Nolva at 10mg/day and 250-300/week HCG throughout with proper PCT at the end. I'm beginning to wonder if there is any real advantage to adding EQ or anything else to the test though.

[Iron1]

in all honesty... i would stick with a test-only cycle for your first couple of cycles just so you can learn how your body reacts to the compound. then you can add different compounds later and guage their effects much better. how was your PCT and were you able to keep your gains from your first cycle at all?

Yeah I ran 250 2x week of HCG throughout with Nolva/Clomid PCT. My weight stayed the same. I lost very little if any. I eventually need to concentrate on leaning more seriously. Not real sure of BF% but I still have a little gut (36-38" waist) that needs to go. I may concentrate on that next go-round. Bringing out all the hidden muscle may do me more good than simply adding more mass.

[GearTripper]

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[ROCKETW19]

Thanks. Yep, Nolva at 10mg/day and 250-300/week HCG throughout with proper PCT at the end. I'm beginning to wonder if there is any real advantage to adding EQ or anything else to the test though.

you were never real clear about the mgs you used last cycle just that it was test E for 8 weeks. i kinda got the hint that you ran 500mgs a week from one of your post but not sure. if so id run it again the same mgs (500) but go to 12 weeks. skip the EQ, if you feel the need to add something add in some d-bol at 30mgs for the first 4 weeks.

[Iron1]

you were never real clear about the mgs you used last cycle just that it was test E for 8 weeks. i kinda got the hint that you ran 500mgs a week from one of your post but not sure. if so id run it again the same mgs (500) but go to 12 weeks. skip the EQ, if you feel the need to add something add in some d-bol at 30mgs for the first 4 weeks.

Thanks sounds like good advice. Sorry, I did run test e at 500/week. I meant to go at least 10 weeks but I was using QV that was apparently underdosed so I had to quit at 8. I really did feel I was just starting to get good gains. I'll go 14-16 weeks this time.

[metalmarty]

I eventually need to concentrate on leaning more seriously. Not real sure of BF% but I still have a little gut (36-38" waist) that needs to go. I may concentrate on that next go-round. Bringing out all the hidden muscle may do me more good than simply adding more mass.

I'm not saying to just jump into this, but do some research on trenbolone. It will add quality strength and mass while burning bodyfat like no other. However, the side effects can be very harsh, so look into it first and evaluate whether it is right for you.

[Ironweb]

If mass is your goal then you will have to except some fat gain. My opinion is you either bulk for mass or cut for definition. Not much middle ground IMO. If Dbol is something you want to try understand the sides. I hated it when I used it and will never use it again. It can be harsh on the liver and as suggested only take for 4 weeks. I would suggest going with 500 – 600 mg test only and not use eq if you are wanting to bulk. Some will argue you can use eq for bulking but I believe it is better used for cutting. I have used eq and it is great for slow long term keepable gains.

[Ironweb]

I'm not saying to just jump into this, but do some research on trenbolone. It will add quality strength and mass while burning bodyfat like no other. However, the side effects can be very harsh, so look into it first and evaluate whether it is right for you.

I used Tren for the first time in my last cycle. Not sure if using it on a second cycle is the best choice but it is a choice. I will say I loved it and will include it in my next cycle for 8 weeks maybe 10. I defenitly notice fat loss. Once again understand what it is and what you taking.