1st cycle

[euphoria_x05x]

Im thinking of doing a cycle of 250mg/wk Test En 10 weeks and 200mg/wk deca 9 weeks with nolva for PCT starting 2weeks after last injection, with an extra box just incase of gyno, not sure if I should add proviron to keep off some water weight as id sooner have leaner gains. The reason im using low dosages is because I want to see how they affect me and Ive opted for deca instead of just 500mg/wk test to try and cut back on potential side effects.

Does this sound ok for a 1st cycle. any advice plz?

[metalmarty]

Sounds logical, although many would suggest 250mg/wk test only for the first cycle to see how you respond to it. But if you want to do it this way, why not run the deca for the whole ten weeks? Put it right in the same needle as the test. The last shot of test enanthate will work longer than the deca. Also, with test enanthate you want to start nolvadex three weeks after your last shot. Use it for three weeks at 60mg/ed the first week, 40mg/ed the second week, and 20mg/ed the third week.

[metalmarty]

Good idea keeping extra nolva on hand for gyno flare-ups. If you are prone to gyno I would suggest using proviron or liquidex on cycle, in which case it would be very beneficial. Otherwise, I personally never use any of that stuff.. a little bit of estrogen has its place in muscle building, believe it or not. But most people will run some sort of AI on cycle just to be safe. Only use nolva on cycle if you feel the early signs of gyno.

[euphoria_x05x]

Sounds logical, although many would suggest 250mg/wk test only for the first cycle to see how you respond to it. But if you want to do it this way, why not run the deca for the whole ten weeks? Put it right in the same needle as the test. The last shot of test enanthate will work longer than the deca. Also, with test enanthate you want to start nolvadex three weeks after your last shot. Use it for three weeks at 60mg/ed the first week, 40mg/ed the second week, and 20mg/ed the third week.

Would 250mg/wk test b enough ?? Everyone keeps saying that all that will do is shut you down with no gains because i was considering just doing either the test or the deca on its own at them dosages.

thanks for replying.

[euphoria_x05x]

what sort of result would 500mg/wk test en have?

[bowbow]

It's hard to say but personally I think they will be better than if you ran 250mgs of test and 200mgs of deca. I don't think you will get much out of that.

[hitmansb]

I'd like to see a test-only first cycle as well. 250mg of enth might be enough....or maybe a bit more....but 500mg is too high for a first cycle IMO unless you are already at a very high bodyweight. Too many people start at too high a dose, and never even bother to see if they are the type of person that can respond well to lower doses.

[metalmarty]

I'd like to see a test-only first cycle as well. 250mg of enth might be enough....or maybe a bit more....but 500mg is too high for a first cycle IMO unless you are already at a very high bodyweight. Too many people start at too high a dose, and never even bother to see if they are the type of person that can respond well to lower doses.

That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

[kish]

hitmansb is correct . beleive what he is saying. he realy knows this stuff.
this is interesting. I am in 11th week of my second cycle which is testE250+Deca200.(just like yours)
i gained very good gains(about 20lbs)
besides i did test for 11 weeks and Deca for 10 weeks and didn't used Nolva till now i mean you probably wont need it either. but i'm going to take Nolva and Clomid for pct after 3 weeks.

but my first one was testE250 for 10 weeks
you better do a testE250 only for 10-11 weeks

thanks to all you guys here who realy concern about others

[Dr Savage]

Run the test for 10 weeks at 250 a week and see how your body responds. Save Deca for future cycles.

[euphoria_x05x]

I think I might be suceptable to male patern hairloss both of my grandads have got it an me dads is starting to recede and gyno when I went through puberty I got lumps under my nipples only little ones not noticable and theyve gone now but I think this would mean gyno should be a concern, So im kinda getting put off the idea of test because ill have to start running other compunds to counter these which is making it quite a complex first cycle. Would running something like nandrolone-phenylpropionate (Durabolin) be ok for a short first cycle ??

[euphoria_x05x]

Thanks for the replys

[vicmack777]

I grew like a weed with only 300 mg/week of cyp for my first cycle. I gained 27lbs.

[kish]

Deca only cycle wont give you much. you should defenitly add some test in there or take a test only cycle(250-10wk).
besides test will cause hairloss by converting testosterone to DHT
you can solve this by taking Propecia(against hairloss) wich wont let Test to convert to DHT.
AI (aromitize inhibitors) can also help you on this ,thought. :hmmm:
search about AIs too.
so hairloss can be treated well while on T-only cycle.
:needle: :)