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[traceillusions@]

sorry, rocket....just seen your advice on PCT...Im a moron...U answered my question before I asked it..LOL

[traceillusions@]

I'd like to thank you guys again. It was a tremendous help. I now have a "better" understanding of which substanance does what...especially involving PCT, and the reason for a 10-12 week cycle of deca. I am so glad I found this board; it prevents me from making another mistake. :D ...can't say thanks enough....THANK YOU :dancingne

[woodard]

Ok unless I missed something we are waiting for what mg/ml you are getting. i understand it is 10ml cyp and 20 ml Deca... Is it 200mg, or 250, or T300???? Lots of different strength out there. I think you could problably get some good gains on a Test only cycle of 400-500 mgs a week. If you want to do both then ..

Wk 1-10 Test 500mg
Wk 1-10 Deca 400mg
Wk 13-15 PCT Nolvadex & maybe Clomid

[traceillusions@]

Heya fellas, im back....this time got the shit in my hand. I wanted cypionate, but got "depot 200" . I been doing research(as we speak...so to say) and I cant find anything to make me believe I cant run the same cycle as was mentioned before. If there is anything I need to know...please don't hesitate to tell me...The test is by "Powerlinemex"
p.s. ill have the deca in my hands in an hour...so ill update then

[traceillusions@]

well....i decided to just run 400mg\week test(200mg/ml) for 10 to maybe 12 weeks....ill run the deca next time round when there isnt so much fu%$ing confusion(on my end) on aquiring it. Peace out!! :nerdnew:

[Shibby]

Heya fellas, im back....this time got the shit in my hand. I wanted cypionate, but got "depot 200" . I been doing research(as we speak...so to say) and I cant find anything to make me believe I cant run the same cycle as was mentioned before. If there is anything I need to know...please don't hesitate to tell me...The test is by "Powerlinemex"
p.s. ill have the deca in my hands in an hour...so ill update then

depot is not the ester. But at that concentration it's probably a long ester and it won't be much different than a cypionate, enanthate, or deconate.

[RUI-Products]

Bro he's trying to help you plan the cycle. IT should be bases on the mg per day or week depending on the compound.

I recomend do a cycle that is planed right.
Test cyp. or enth 500 mg a week for 8 weeks. with 4 weeks of pct clomid and nolva.

You really need to get your diet right. do a search for " Eat to grow ." TO be honest you aren't ready to using these compounds. You really should spend a few month reading. and tweaking your diet.

[traceillusions@]

Bro he's trying to help you plan the cycle. IT should be bases on the mg per day or week depending on the compound.

I recomend do a cycle that is planed right.
Test cyp. or enth 500 mg a week for 8 weeks. with 4 weeks of pct clomid and nolva.

You really need to get your diet right. do a search for " Eat to grow ." TO be honest you aren't ready to using these compounds. You really should spend a few month reading. and tweaking your diet.

Thanks for the input buyb12, my first cycle, I put at least 80g of protien in my body throughout the day. I gained over 20lbs. This cycle will only constitute 400mg test a week. I decided one substanance was enough. I will google "eat to grow"....thanx

[TripleXx]

You are going to need more protein than 80g bro. I would try to get atleast 200g of protein in. Some people say 1.5g of protein per 1lb. Others will recommend 2g per 1lb of body weight.

[gearontap]

Throw half a cup of epson salts and half a cup of bleach into a hot bath, soak in it for about 45 mins at night, get out and shower as usual. Use Retin-A cream on any zits before bed. This will clear up your acne in no time.

[spidey]

I will throw my 2 cents in here since I started with AAS for much the same reason. The muscles in my back were not strong enough to correctly support my spine and it caused chronic inflamation which limited what I could do in the gym to fix it. In short, without AAS, I could not work out naturally long enough to strengthen the muscles as the pain would cripple me in a week. That was 5 or 6 years ago and I have never had another back problem.

Deca is a great drug but it is HELL on the HPTA (hypothalmic testicular axis). Meaning, it will shut you down hard. I am of the oppinion that it is better to keep the horses in the barn than to try and chase them back in after they have escaped. Get some HCG along with your deca and test. I am going to go against the grain here and council against large doses of test. I didn't react well to test myself. All I got from it was acne. I will never again run test a greater than replacement doses. (Hell, I am retired from the AAS scene anyway so I will never even take test or any other AAS at all).

If you're worried about tendons and ligaments, supraphysiological doses of test is not what you want. Test cuts the production of collagin precursers in half. This may result in someone with the muscles of a gorilla and the tendons of an 80 yr old man; not a good match unless torn tendons appeal to you.

Deca, on the other hand, increases collagin precursers. So do some other AAS like primobolan, anavar, and Equibolan. Deca is the more potent anabolic of the group IMO.

What I would suggest is a replacement dose of test of like 150 mg test prop a week along with 300 to 400 mg nandrolone phenylprop for 8 weeks. Both the prop and phenylprop esters are short halflife esters and will kick in sooner than the cyp or enanthate esters (or decanoate in the case of deca). After 3 weeks, 250 IU's of HCG every other day and 10 mg nolva a day for 2 weeks will revive your testes and will make your recovery easier at the end. The last two weeks should also include 250 IU's of HCG every other day and 10 mg nolva a day. Then, 3 days after your last shot of test prop and nan phenylprop, start up with 50 mg clomid + 20 mg nolva a day for one week and then 20 mg nolva a day for another week and you are done.

You diet is of paramount importance. You must get 200 to 300 g protein every day along with moderate carbs (100 to 200 g) and low fat (<10 g). You simply can not grow without sufficient protein and calories. An AAS user as an increased rate of protein synthesis and this requires more protein in the diet than that of a non user.

Your workout routine must also be done with religious regularity and intensity. Make sure you workout muscle groups so as not to develop an imbalance where your chest (for instance) is more developed than your back. This will cause all kinds of physical problems for you.

Moniter your health carefully. Just because you feel great doesn't mean you are, in fact, healthy. Expect your cholesterol levels to worsen considerably. If you have existing heart problems or a family history of cardiovascular disease, AAS may not be the smartest choice for you. If you already have a bad cholesterol profile, you might want to hit your doc up for one of the statins to get it under control before embarking on AAS use.

[trip]

^^^^That's a post you should print out and keep on file. If you basically followed that you'd be rid of 90% of future problems.

I'm kidn of curious why you don't go through your doctor and get insurance coverage on this if your therapist suggested it.

I'd also be curious as to how tall you are, what you're body fat percentages were.

And most of all, did you get any blood work done before your cycle, so you could know for a FACT what your test levels were.

It's possible you're test levels were average to low to begin with, then the STRESS of your injury and emotional crap that goes with it, and your cortisol shoots thru the roof and your stress goes even higher, which supresses your testosterone.

The other curiosity is what excercises did you do after surgery to try and get back weight.

Did you train while on the last cycle, what was that like?

Test will not only strengthen, yet, you will hold some water which would cushion your back thus allowing you to excercise.

All in all, look down the Hormone Replacement Therapy road.

Like you said, your not looking for olympian gains, just to be a little better than your old self.

And like spidey said, 150 mg per week is fine, once or twice a week.

oh, yeah, can't believe no one said this one, never ever start a cycle until you have all your stuff on hand, most importantly NOLVADEX, why if you develope gyno, reacting to it is sometimes to late, so you need to have the remedy in hand first, plus, you gotta have all your pct down also

What you need to watch out for in long run, if you do this alot, is BUNK crap gear, that's why surprised you don't have doc/insurance covering you on this.

good luck

PS-IMHO, you are being smart about it, yet, best bet is you started this and did a cycle with only about 20% of the knowledge you need, you're gettin and researching more info, yet, just by comment get the feeling your more interested in doing the cycle then doing it right, suggestion, slow down a little and get a better plan, you only got a 100 or so cycles left in ya, lol

[traceillusions@]

I will throw my 2 cents in here since I started with AAS for much the same reason. The muscles in my back were not strong enough to correctly support my spine and it caused chronic inflamation which limited what I could do in the gym to fix it. In short, without AAS, I could not work out naturally long enough to strengthen the muscles as the pain would cripple me in a week. That was 5 or 6 years ago and I have never had another back problem.

Deca is a great drug but it is HELL on the HPTA (hypothalmic testicular axis). Meaning, it will shut you down hard. I am of the oppinion that it is better to keep the horses in the barn than to try and chase them back in after they have escaped. Get some HCG along with your deca and test. I am going to go against the grain here and council against large doses of test. I didn't react well to test myself. All I got from it was acne. I will never again run test a greater than replacement doses. (Hell, I am retired from the AAS scene anyway so I will never even take test or any other AAS at all).

If you're worried about tendons and ligaments, supraphysiological doses of test is not what you want. Test cuts the production of collagin precursers in half. This may result in someone with the muscles of a gorilla and the tendons of an 80 yr old man; not a good match unless torn tendons appeal to you.

Deca, on the other hand, increases collagin precursers. So do some other AAS like primobolan, anavar, and Equibolan. Deca is the more potent anabolic of the group IMO.

What I would suggest is a replacement dose of test of like 150 mg test prop a week along with 300 to 400 mg nandrolone phenylprop for 8 weeks. Both the prop and phenylprop esters are short halflife esters and will kick in sooner than the cyp or enanthate esters (or decanoate in the case of deca). After 3 weeks, 250 IU's of HCG every other day and 10 mg nolva a day for 2 weeks will revive your testes and will make your recovery easier at the end. The last two weeks should also include 250 IU's of HCG every other day and 10 mg nolva a day. Then, 3 days after your last shot of test prop and nan phenylprop, start up with 50 mg clomid + 20 mg nolva a day for one week and then 20 mg nolva a day for another week and you are done.

You diet is of paramount importance. You must get 200 to 300 g protein every day along with moderate carbs (100 to 200 g) and low fat (<10 g). You simply can not grow without sufficient protein and calories. An AAS user as an increased rate of protein synthesis and this requires more protein in the diet than that of a non user.

Your workout routine must also be done with religious regularity and intensity. Make sure you workout muscle groups so as not to develop an imbalance where your chest (for instance) is more developed than your back. This will cause all kinds of physical problems for you.

Moniter your health carefully. Just because you feel great doesn't mean you are, in fact, healthy. Expect your cholesterol levels to worsen considerably. If you have existing heart problems or a family history of cardiovascular disease, AAS may not be the smartest choice for you. If you already have a bad cholesterol profile, you might want to hit your doc up for one of the statins to get it under control before embarking on AAS use.

Thank you for the info, Spidey...it is much appreciated.First, since its been a while since i last posted, I'm gonna answer a few questions....I am 5'10, was a solid & healthy 165lbs before my accident, dropped to 130 after surg...physical therepist( after 12 months of pt) told me anabolics would help speed up recovery for the cut tissue(he recommended I see a specialist), but since my lawyer has already put up close to 250000$, he wouldn't even entertain it. So, i took the ball into my own court-did 8 week cyc 300mg/cyp for 8 weeks...gained 25lbs(i was no stranger to the gym before my accident, so my strength came back)...my diet was fair at best(didn't know the body could assimilate more than 150g of protien):::now i am 2 weeks into this cycle w/400mg test a week...i tried to get deca for a month before i started my cyc, but it fell through...until today--now i have a 20ml bottle :eek: ...i am not to sure if i can start the deca now because i would not know when to start my pct(idea??) Please explain HCG( as soon as i finish this, i will research it myself....but you appear to know a lot about it.Oh...i'm 32, and no history of cardio probs in my family.::please elaborate on "(hypothalmic testicular axis)"...if it has something to do with sperm count..i already have three kids, so not worried about that...i cant think of anything else.

[traceillusions@]

^^^^That's a post you should print out and keep on file. If you basically followed that you'd be rid of 90% of future problems.

I'm kidn of curious why you don't go through your doctor and get insurance coverage on this if your therapist suggested it.

I'd also be curious as to how tall you are, what you're body fat percentages were.

And most of all, did you get any blood work done before your cycle, so you could know for a FACT what your test levels were.

It's possible you're test levels were average to low to begin with, then the STRESS of your injury and emotional crap that goes with it, and your cortisol shoots thru the roof and your stress goes even higher, which supresses your testosterone.

The other curiosity is what excercises did you do after surgery to try and get back weight.

Did you train while on the last cycle, what was that like?

Test will not only strengthen, yet, you will hold some water which would cushion your back thus allowing you to excercise.

All in all, look down the Hormone Replacement Therapy road.

Like you said, your not looking for olympian gains, just to be a little better than your old self.

And like spidey said, 150 mg per week is fine, once or twice a week.

oh, yeah, can't believe no one said this one, never ever start a cycle until you have all your stuff on hand, most importantly NOLVADEX, why if you develope gyno, reacting to it is sometimes to late, so you need to have the remedy in hand first, plus, you gotta have all your pct down also

What you need to watch out for in long run, if you do this alot, is BUNK crap gear, that's why surprised you don't have doc/insurance covering you on this.

good luck

PS-IMHO, you are being smart about it, yet, best bet is you started this and did a cycle with only about 20% of the knowledge you need, you're gettin and researching more info, yet, just by comment get the feeling your more interested in doing the cycle then doing it right, suggestion, slow down a little and get a better plan, you only got a 100 or so cycles left in ya, lol

Your right bro, My paitence has gone into the negatives. This is my last go round with this scene. I answered some of your questions on the previous post(oops)...but before my accident, i suppose i had more than adequate supply of natural test in my body...never had more than 5-8% body fat(good genes) and was pretty strong from working on a tugboat for the past 10 years. I am guilty of rushing into this...enough to scare me away from ever doing another cyc again. It is so hard to get GOOD info...i always find at least 3 websites in direct contradiction to another 3 :thumbsdow , which is very fucking frustrating. I learn a little at a time by weeding out the bullshiters and scare-mongers. Thank you for your input---my first cyc was 300mg/cyp test for 8 weeks--this cyc(on my second week), i am running 400mg for 8 weeks...i eat at least 6 times a day(mostly meal replacement and protien shakes)
I'll pose a question to you as i did "spidey"=== a 300mg 20ml bottle of deca just fell in my lap...can i run this along side the test? If so, when should i start my nolva?...( if i started deca now, do i end it when i end the test, or do i run it for 8 weeks also??)

[traceillusions@]

spidey....wish i had more availibility in the "type" department, but unfortunately, i can only get test and deca