Barry Bonds bombshell: Book details slugger's steroid use..

[meat12]

If you are going to try and sound intelligent at least spell the guy's name right.

:laughnew:

[meat12]

all of you guy talk shit on bounds and then go to you bathroom and shoot up what a bunch of hypocrites and I would say 60 % of professionals atheists are on STEROID and that's a fact and it doesn't madder how much STEROID you take you still have to put in hard work and that is what separates the champs from the wanbes I hope I did not offend anyone yours truly walkersgamedogs :usausausa

60% of your statement proves you hardly even read this thread. :D

[go Yankees]

all of you guy talk shit on bounds and then go to you bathroom and shoot up what a bunch of hypocrites and I would say 60 % of professionals atheists are on STEROID and that's a fact and it doesn't madder how much STEROID you take you still have to put in hard work and that is what separates the champs from the wanbes I hope I did not offend anyone yours truly walkersgamedogs :usausausa

hey listen...we didn't lie to a grand jury about our steroid use -- that's the big difference...and how do you know that 60% of pros are on steroids? the one thing you have to be careful with when it comes to throwing these numbers around is that you don't know what they're doing, it's all speculation

no one ever said professional athletes don't work hard...hell, when newbies come to the forum and asks which drug makes you big, we tell them hard work and diet -- we're in this game too, we know how it works

I'll tell you what I have a problem with, in case it got lost in my comments about Bonds

a) he used substances in violation of Major League Baseball's drug testing policy

b) he lied to a federal grand jury, when he was granted immunity from prosecution -- except for perjury charges -- regarding what he testified

c) he's a jerk...read Game of Shadows, read about his high school days, what happened at Arizona State, what happened with Jim Leyland in Pittsburgh...

[hitmansb]

The only thing Bonds did that is wrong IMO is the perjury....BUT....even then, can you really say he was wrong...or...was he smart enough to know that the 'secret' testimony would be leaked???

Hmmmm....

[CrazyShane]

my thoughts exactly

agreed, never liked the guy, on or off gear

[go Yankees]

The only thing Bonds did that is wrong IMO is the perjury....BUT....even then, can you really say he was wrong...or...was he smart enough to know that the 'secret' testimony would be leaked???

Hmmmm....

that's a fair question, esp. in light of the leaks...but then you'd ask, why is Giambi winning (if you say he is) in the court of public opinion when Bonds is getting killed? Why is Bonds' name being dragged through the mud the way no one else's is?

I'd say the other thing Bonds did wrong is use drugs in violation of MLB's rules. So, you want to call me a hypocrite? I'll let that stick IF I then went and competed in a natural show.

I'll speculate that he showed no respect for MLB's rules the first time around, and showed no restraint, no remorse, then finally, showed no respect to the grand jury.

That is, of course, assuming that Giambi and Sheffield are clean now.

However, if you have read about the two at all, Giambi and Bonds couldn't be more different -- Bonds is brash, loud, aggressive, self-centered, thick-skinned, doesn't care what people think about him, "a real asshole," you might say. Giambi on the other hand is a lot softer inside, tries harder to please, is more apologetic and so on. His bad boy image with the tattoos and long hair in Oak was a façade. The real Giambi is the one who hurts inside when fans at Yankee Stadium booed him

[meat12]

that's a fair question, esp. in light of the leaks...but then you'd ask, why is Giambi winning (if you say he is) in the court of public opinion when Bonds is getting killed? Why is Bonds' name being dragged through the mud the way no one else's is?

I'd say the other thing Bonds did wrong is use drugs in violation of MLB's rules. So, you want to call me a hypocrite? I'll let that stick IF I then went and competed in a natural show.

I'll speculate that he showed no respect for MLB's rules the first time around, and showed no restraint, no remorse, then finally, showed no respect to the grand jury.

That is, of course, assuming that Giambi and Sheffield are clean now.

However, if you have read about the two at all, Giambi and Bonds couldn't be more different -- Bonds is brash, loud, aggressive, self-centered, thick-skinned, doesn't care what people think about him, "a real asshole," you might say. Giambi on the other hand is a lot softer inside, tries harder to please, is more apologetic and so on. His bad boy image with the tattoos and long hair in Oak was a façade. The real Giambi is the one who hurts inside when fans at Yankee Stadium booed him

I agree with you bro, just wondering if you read Canseco's book. I was skeptical about it at first but it's actually a really good read. And just as informative as "Game of Shadows"

[go Yankees]

no, haven't read Canseco's book yet, but I know I should...

what'll be -- for lack of a better word -- a "shitshow" is Kim Bell's book about her relationship with Bonds, when that comes out

[meat12]

and also the main reason why Bonds is getting bashed so much is the record he's about to break. It has nothing to do with race. I could see the arguement if maybe Hank Aaron didn't hold the record but since he does it holds no water. If McGuwire was still playing he would be a huge part of this too. But he ducked out to avoid all of this.

[meat12]

no, haven't read Canseco's book yet, but I know I should...

what'll be -- for lack of a better word -- a "shitshow" is Kim Bell's book about her relationship with Bonds, when that comes out

It over laps some of the stuff from Bonds' book. Kinda proves even further most of these claims. It goes into detail about Giambi and many others.

[Shibby]

So, now that Bonds is knocking them out again what are the baseball fans thoughts?

[meat12]

I'm waiting for an Injury, I guess. Even if not he won't get over 40 this season so hopefully he will retire

[go Yankees]

So, now that Bonds is knocking them out again what are the baseball fans thoughts?

as the cover of ESPN: The Magazine says, soon he'll hit a home run to pass the Babe, and then we'll have a real dilemma on our hands

I dunno, I still think he's a lying sack of shit...we'll see

[meat12]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5548844

Selig: No celebration planned for Barry's 715th

Posted: 14 hours ago



NEW YORK (AP) - Barry Bonds will have to wait until he passes Hank Aaron before baseball throws a party for him.



Major League Baseball is not planning any celebration for Bonds if and when he tops Babe Ruth's mark of 714 home runs, commissioner Bud Selig said Thursday.
"Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's record," Selig said. "We don't celebrate anybody the second or third time in."

Bonds has been the subject of steroids speculation for several seasons. The recent book "Game of Shadows" detailed allegations against him, and a federal grand jury is investigating whether he committed perjury when he told another grand jury that he had never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.

Bonds hit his 711th homer Wednesday. His San Francisco Giants were off Thursday, and open a three-game series Friday night at home against Arizona.

Selig does not figure to be in San Francisco - or in Milwaukee or Philadelphia, where the Giants play next week - as Bonds nears Ruth.

"We celebrate new records, that's what we do. We're being consistent," Selig said during the Associated Press Sports Editors annual meeting with league commissioners. "There's nothing to read into that."

Ruth is second on the career home run list, trailing Aaron's total of 755. When Aaron broke Ruth's record in 1974, commissioner Bowie Kuhn was not in attendance. Kuhn's absence rankled many, including Aaron.

Bonds has been hobbled by bad knees, and missed most of last season.

"He's had a remarkable career. Whatever happens, happens," Selig said. "We're going to let nature take its course. Commissioners don't sit around and say, 'I hope this guy breaks it or not."'

Selig said he had read "Game of Shadows" but not seen "Bonds on Bonds," the ESPN reality show about the slugger's life.

Selig said the book was among several factors that prompted him to launch a baseball investigation into steroids, headed by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell. There is no timetable for completing the probe.

Baseball's investigation, Selig said, is "not affected at all by the grand jury" looking into whether Bonds committed perjury.

[Shibby]

I'm not suprised. I didn't figure they would make a celebration out of it. I'm sure SF will still make a celebration out of it.