The Ultimate First Cycle

[ROCKILLER]

OK, my first, if any AAS usage is still a ways off (were talking over a year) but I've been reading a lot and I figure the sooner I formulate a plan, the longer I have to make sure its right. I tried to search but the search feature does not like the word "first" so I was having some difficulty.
I want to keep it simple and go with Test-E 500mg per week for 12 weeks
My questions are about PCT.
Nolva, Clomid, Letro, hcg

Can I take Nolva the whole time? Is there any downside to this other than $. I already have a little bit of gyno from being pretty fat when I was younger. Its not that bad but I dont want to make it any worse.

What is the best way to setup PCT for muscle retention and bringing the natural test productioon back? What would you have done your first time if you knew what you know now?

[Ashop]

OK, my first, if any AAS usage is still a ways off (were talking over a year) but I've been reading a lot and I figure the sooner I formulate a plan, the longer I have to make sure its right. I tried to search but the search feature does not like the word "first" so I was having some difficulty.
I want to keep it simple and go with Test-E 500mg per week for 12 weeks
My questions are about PCT.
Nolva, Clomid, Letro, hcg

Can I take Nolva the whole time? Is there any downside to this other than $. I already have a little bit of gyno from being pretty fat when I was younger. Its not that bad but I dont want to make it any worse.

What is the best way to setup PCT for muscle retention and bringing the natural test productioon back? What would you have done your first time if you knew what you know now?

run the letro during entire cycle, the hcg every 5days 500 iu, and clomid/nolva for PCT.

[ROCKETW19]

run the letro during entire cycle, the hcg every 5days 500 iu, and clomid/nolva for PCT.

i agree but probably wont need the HCG the cycle is to short you will be fine without it!

[TestFreak]

bump thats great for a first cycle bro...i wouldnt worry about the HCG either for this cycle but thats just me some people im sure would use it or have it on hand but usually on more potent cycles

[ill dood]

letro is an aromatase inhibitor, so it won't block estrogen (wat u wanna do during pct). if u want to prevent gyno during a cycle, however, it is much stronger than most of the products on the market at preventing estrogen build-up. 0.5mg every day should do it.

HCG is unnecessary for a 12 week cycle, which isn't short but not really that long either.
for pct, using nolva alone is fine. three weeks at 40mg/40mg/20mg and u'll keep most of ur gains.

i've had gyno from puberty as well and this cycle is very similar to my first test cycle, so it will work w/o risk of getting bitch tits.

[XZoneX04]

sorry this shouldn't be here probably, but, I have gyno from like 13 or 14 years old. can i get rid of it???

[ROCKILLER]

So:

weeks 1-12 500mg Test-E
0.5mg letro (ED)

weeks 13-15 40mg, 40mg, 20mg Nolva (ED)

Any sides to letro? I'm just wondering as I want to learn how my body reacts to the test so that if I use it later with anything else I can tell where the effects are coming from. Thanks guys, I think it would be good to come to some sort of an agreement as to a good first cycle so not everyone has to ask all the questions I am, the info will already be here.

[ludakris9]

Yes you can take nolva throught your whole cycle, if you have or start to develope gyno I would take letro for gyno because it reverse symptoms and then quit taking the nolva.

[ROCKETW19]

rockiller there are tons of first cycle threads witch all have the same questions and anwsers as this post! you just have to do a search. also your gonna want to wait at least 2 weeks after your last shot of test before you start PCT. id also use it 40-40-20-20
ludakris if you get symptoms of gyno use nolva not letro! why or how does letro reverse gyno?

[ROCKILLER]

I did search, and I have been reading for hours and hours over the last several months. the search doesnt like the word first so its kinda tough. Also, I kinda wanted to bring all the info from one thread. hopefully, everybody who says "I wish I had known what I know now" will post here and help new guys from making mistakes.

weeks 1-12 500mg Test-E
0.5mg letro (ED)

weeks 14-17 40mg, 40mg, 20mg, 20mg Nolva (ED)

this is assuming that a week begins with an injection so you would have all of week 12 and 13 before the beginning of PCT.

anyone else?

[ROCKETW19]

I did search, and I have been reading for hours and hours over the last several months. the search doesnt like the word first so its kinda tough. Also, I kinda wanted to bring all the info from one thread. hopefully, everybody who says "I wish I had known what I know now" will post here and help new guys from making mistakes.

weeks 1-12 500mg Test-E
0.5mg letro (ED)

weeks 14-17 40mg, 40mg, 20mg, 20mg Nolva (ED)

this is assuming that a week begins with an injection so you would have all of week 12 and 13 before the beginning of PCT.

anyone else?

yes that looks good. id normaly say try it with no letro but since you already have a lil better safe than sorry.

[ROCKILLER]

Why no letro? Just because you wouldnt want to suppress too much estrogen or because its not necessary.

[ROCKETW19]

Why no letro? Just because you wouldnt want to suppress too much estrogen or because its not necessary.

probably not necessary at 500mgs test. and you need estrogen to grow. you should look in to proviron its what i use as a anti-e and i take 750mgs test 800mgs EQ im also a lil prone to gyno but at 50mgs proviron does the trick.

[ROCKILLER]

I wouldnt want to add proviron the first time. Mostly because of the fact that I want to know what test alone will do, both the gains and the sides. I'm not worried about water retention so much.

[ROCKETW19]

I wouldnt want to add proviron the first time. Mostly because of the fact that I want to know what test alone will do, both the gains and the sides. I'm not worried about water retention so much.

proviron is basicaly a week version of l-dex it has no real anabolic effect. no one uses it to build muscle. most use it as a anti-e and some as a sexual aid or both. why dont you just do your test cycle with nolva on hand in case of gyno but i dont think you will have a problem.