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**silentassasin** · 09-20-03, 03:10 PM

Looks good for a first cycle..sounds like u have done ure homework on this, which is the smart thing to do...only use to nolvadex if ure nipples get really really sensitive, or if u fee a lump...the reason for this is because nolva will hinder your gains... oh ya maybe throw in some deca for the hell of it...only thing i could see u adding in

**bowbow** · 09-20-03, 05:25 PM

Go with what you have there. I would'nt add anything else for your first time.

**Golden_Muscle** · 09-20-03, 06:28 PM

Re: 1st cycle advice

Originally posted by Hardgainer04
Hey fellas considering this is my first post I will tell you a lttle about myself first. I'm 20 yrs old 5'11 175lbs around 10% BF. I have been lifting on and off and not eating right for 2 yrs and I have been lifting hard and eating good for the last 2.5 years, which has definately made a big difference. I think I am now ready to see what I can do with AS, so I'm looking for any input or advice on my first cycle. Also if you have anything negative to say go ahead, I'll listen. so here is what I am thinking now-

wks 1-10 Qv test250 enanthate split 2 shots a week(mon/thurs) for 500mg a week
wks 1-4 Dbol 25mgs ED

Post cycle will be Clomid 2 weeks after last shot-
300mg day1
100mg 10 days
50mg 10 days

Also I plan on running Liquadex and having Nolva on hand but I am not sure how these are suppose to be used? (dosage/duration) Thanks for any help guys

Hardgainer

Hey asshole, thats my clomid plan! Make your own! lol. Sounds good and GOOD LUCK!

**Hardgainer04** · 09-20-03, 06:52 PM

Oh shit I didn't know that one was taken, guess I'll just drink the whole bottle or should I split that in 2 doses LOL? Anyways I could really use some info on how I should take the liquadex/anastrozol? thanks fellas

Hardgainer

**pypes** · 09-20-03, 07:15 PM

l-dex

I use arimidex tabs at .25mg. or 25mcg(micro grams)this would be a base line to start.
Alot of peeps use more but I respond well to that much and don'ty bloat that bad on test.

**spidey** · 09-22-03, 05:16 PM

Re: l-dex

Originally posted by pypes
I use arimidex tabs at .25mg. or 25mcg(micro grams)this would be a base line to start.
Alot of peeps use more but I respond well to that much and don'ty bloat that bad on test.

First, 0.25 mg = 250 mcg. Second, he said he has liquidex, not tabs.

You can use 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg a day of the liquidex. I think most people use 0.5 mg ed but as the man said, not everyone needs that much. You aren't taking a gob of test or dbol so 0.25 mg ed might be just fine. If you start to get sensitive nips, up it to 0.5 mg ed and start the nolva at 20 mg ed until the sensitivity subsides. Then, drop the nolva and continue the liquidex at 0.5 mg ed.

**jack hust** · 09-23-03, 02:26 PM

looks good for a first cycle

**fatbob166** · 09-23-03, 02:34 PM

First of all I'd like to say congrats on doing your homework. A lot of people don't realize how important that is in a succesful/safe cycle. Some people like to use anastrozol (liquidex) throughout their cycles to keep the bloat down. I personally do not. Just have it and the nolva onhand, and if you're nipples get sensitive and puffy looking, I'd start using nolva at 20-30mg/ed. If that doesn't solve the problem after 1-1.5 weeks, then I would through in the liqudex at .5mg/ed. The clomid post cycle looks great, but sometimes I like to through in liquidex at .25-.5mg/ed, because it also helps keep your test levels in check, which will be important during the drastic change at the end of a cycle. Hope this helps.....good luck.

**Hardgainer04** · 09-23-03, 06:59 PM

Thanks for all of the help and advice guys. I've got something else to say that may shock you now, but I was all pumped and ready to do this cycle after all the homework and research I did and all of a sudden something came over me and told me to hold off on it. Like I said I'm 20yrs old and I know I am not at my natural limit yet, I know I could add at least 10 more lbs of muscle I just don't know how long it will take. I am going to work harder and eat the best that I possibly can and see where that puts me. But Damn I want those results now. I am definately keeping all the info I have learned though. thanks again, sorry If I wasted your time.

Hardgainer

**hitmansb** · 09-23-03, 07:33 PM

I'd like to see you drop that test down a bit, seeing as how it's your first cycle and you only weigh 175 lbs. Do you have access to EQ? If so, cut the test down to 250mg and stack it with 250-300mg EQ/week for 12 weeks rather than 10. Post-cycle looks good. I've done many cycles, yet my last one I only did 300mg test/week stacked with 300mg/EQ per week for 12 weeks, and did 20mg D-bol/day for the first 4 weeks....and I had great results. You may be someone that responds well to very moderate doses of gear as well...but if you start out at 1/2 a gram of test right off the hop, you'll never know.

**dharmakarma** · 09-24-03, 12:57 PM

hardgainer04-

When are you planning to begin this cycle? I'm looking to do a VERY similar same cycle (d-bol/test) in January '04. I'm still in the research/ planning stage though and need to get a hold of the test & everything else. I already have the d-bol. How much in gains do you expect? What kind of routine/ diet are you following? Are you planning a second cycle to follow after a break? Definately keep us posted on your progress!!

**mappgh** · 09-25-03, 07:04 AM

Hey bro, I am going to be doing the exact same cycle for my first cycle too. I'm thinking about doing only 400mg a week of test, but I am doing 25mg ed with the dbol and I"m going to run .25mg of liquid-dex ed throughout and .5mg post cycle along with clomid & clen. I"m starting this cycle within the next few weeks. When are you starting yours?

BTW, I'm 23 y/o, 5'10.75", 190-193lbs. I"m looking to get pumped up!

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