Clen, T3, Yohimbine....Diet?

[spidey]

OK, I have decided to take the plunge. I have ordered my clen, T3 and yohimbine as well as some R-ALA.

I had my "discussion" about AS with my wife and while she still doesn't like the idea, she can live with it especially if she doesn't have to see me injecting or have it in her face all the time. Still, there are some AS I will have to stay away from like fina (discusting night sweats) and test (bad acne).

I made myself some boldenone cypionate and plan to use 400 mg a week of that along with the clen, T3, and yohimbine. My plan is:

weeks 1-10: 400 mg Bold cyp (200 mg Monday and Friday)

weeks 2-6: 100mcg Clen ed (ramping up 20mcg ed from initial 20mcg dose), 12.5 mg T3 ed, 12 mg yohimbine ed, 5g Taurine ed

I just had my BF measured and it is 16%. I feel like such a fat-ass! My goal here is to drop some serious BF while maintaining the muscle I have (although if I gain a little muscle I won't be unhappy).

My diet right now is like this:

meal 1: one packet of flavored instant oatmeal with a little 2% milk and a 50g protein shake (made with water).

meal 2: some tuna (with low-fat maonaise-sp?) on lettice, low fat yogert and maybe some whole veggies (carrots?)

meal 3: more tuna with lettice, low fat pudding, more whole veggies

meal 4 (pre-workout): 50 g protein shake and whole veggies

meal 5 (post workout): usually some kind of chicken (lots of it) and complex carbs like rice.

I will throw in 300 mg R-ALA with my morning protein shake and another 300 mg with dinner. I will take my clen, T3 and yohimbine first thing in the morning about 30 minutes before my first meal. I am doing cardio 3 times a week and continuing to strength train on a 3 day split. The moderate dose of bold cyp is mainly just to preserve my muscle.

OK, suggestions? Criticisms? I am getting about 200 g protein a day. I should probably increase that a bit. What do you think about everything else?

[hitmansb]

Diet looks solid from here...I like the idea of adding in a low-to-no carb protein source for another meal. Should get in another shot of protein post-workout before bedtime for sure. And if you can manage it, swap out the instant oatmeal for unflavored 'quick' oats...much lower glycemic index.

As for the clen...you might find better results by running clen for 2 weeks, then switching to ECA for two weeks...then switching back to clen. Diminishing returns after two weeks with either thermo stack.

[spidey]

Thanks for the advice.

I am getting the "lose the flavored oats" response pretty unanimously so I guess I will bite the bullet and go with the plain, bland quick oats (ugh!).

Maybe if I eat dinner earlier (around 7:30, hey..that's early for me :) ) I can choke down another shake before bed around 10.

A friend at another board tells me that clen upregulates beta receptors in brown adipose tissue by 500%!! That means by taking the clen with the T3, I should increase fat burning by 5 fold over just T3 alone. Add in the yohimbine (upregulates alpha receptors) and that should increase even a little further to make one badd-ass fat burning stack. The bold cyp is just there to preserve my muscle. I would like to get down to 8 to 10% BF. Do you think it's possible with this stack?

[hitmansb]

I think it is, if you eat clean and do your cardio...but...I'd run it a little longer if I were you. Boldenone is meant to be run for 12 weeks or more...and by cycling clen with ECA on a 2wk on, 2wk off, you'll be getting several shots of the clen/T3 synergy in there. I'd go 16 weeks...gives you a better chance of meeting your goal, and will see some nice results muscle-wise on the boldenone.

[jupiter]

The plain oats aren't bad if you add a little cinnamon and sweetener to it. The flavoured ones are probably loaded with sugar.

[spidey]

Originally posted by hitmansb
I think it is, if you eat clean and do your cardio...but...I'd run it a little longer if I were you. Boldenone is meant to be run for 12 weeks or more...and by cycling clen with ECA on a 2wk on, 2wk off, you'll be getting several shots of the clen/T3 synergy in there. I'd go 16 weeks...gives you a better chance of meeting your goal, and will see some nice results muscle-wise on the boldenone.

Thanks.

This is not really EQ that I am taking remember. It is boldenone cypionate (instead of undecylinate). It should work like a faster acting EQ.

Could you elaborate a bit more on cycling the T3, clen and ECA? This is new to me. I have never had a problem with excess BF before so I never really paid attention to these particular compounds.

[spidey]

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[hitmansb]

T3 you'd take throughout....along with the yohimbe

Clen, you'd use for two weeks...doing the usual regimen where you build up gradually (it's been posted so many times on so many boards, but PM me if you can't find it)

Then, after two weeks, do the ephedrine, caffeine, and asprin stack instead of the Clen. I usually take 25mg Ephedrine HCL, 200mg caffeine, and an 81mg asprin. Take this once upon waking, and then again about 7 hours later.

Two weeks later, go back to Clen...but don't start the building regimen again...go close to or near the dose you left off at.

Repeat.

Simple, effective. This way, your body doesn't de-sensitize to either the clen or the ephedrine the way it would if you ran either compound longer than two weeks. Oh, FYI...I find this works better if you abstain from caffeine while you're on the Clen...which is hard for me, given how I love Diet Cokes and coffee. The caffeine will be more effective during the ECA part of the cycle this way.

[spidey]

So you would recommend taking the T3 and Yohimbine for the whole 10 weeks? Isn't that dangerous to the thyroid?

Originally posted by hitmansb
T3 you'd take throughout....along with the yohimbe

Clen, you'd use for two weeks...doing the usual regimen where you build up gradually (it's been posted so many times on so many boards, but PM me if you can't find it)

Then, after two weeks, do the ephedrine, caffeine, and asprin stack instead of the Clen. I usually take 25mg Ephedrine HCL, 200mg caffeine, and an 81mg asprin. Take this once upon waking, and then again about 7 hours later.

Two weeks later, go back to Clen...but don't start the building regimen again...go close to or near the dose you left off at.

Repeat.

Simple, effective. This way, your body doesn't de-sensitize to either the clen or the ephedrine the way it would if you ran either compound longer than two weeks. Oh, FYI...I find this works better if you abstain from caffeine while you're on the Clen...which is hard for me, given how I love Diet Cokes and coffee. The caffeine will be more effective during the ECA part of the cycle this way.

[hitmansb]

Not at a dose as low as you'll be taking.

[drgoodbody]

Spidey, you asked for my opinion so here it is:

* T3 - I prefer to run it at a lower dose than most people because I find it to be an indiscrimant tissue eater. Burns fat and muscle. I prefer 25mcg ED, maybe 50mcg if you're not dropping too much in strength (sign that you're losing muscle usually)

* Clen - I like it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. I ramp it up over the first 3-4 days and then stay on the max I can handle (jitter's wise) for the remaining part of the 2 weeks.

* ECA + NYC - I use these during the 2 weeks I'm off the Clen. I like the combo of ECA once a day and NYC once or twice a day. I find the my prostate bothers me when I use too much Ephedra, so I opt to use Norephedrine in its place. Usually 20mg of Ephedra once a day, and 25mg of Norephedrine once or twice a day.

* Yohimbine - absolutely great stuff. I use 10mg per 100lbs of body weight, so for me about 22mg per day. Along with Clen it is the SHIT (like you said, the combo hits alpha 2's and beta's, so it accelerates fat loss and takes the breaks off at the same time).

* I have never cut on Boldenone alone, so I can't comment, but it is a long acting substance that takes some time to "kick in" because it is so slow to release. I'd probably front load double my weekly dose to help get things initially rolling.

* Diet - I favor a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet, with low carbs (<100g) for 5 days, and higher carbs (around 1g/lb of body weight) for 2 days. I always consume at least 1-1.5g of protein per lb of body weight. Also, I like to get 60-70 grams of Essential Fatty Acids (EFA's) everyday. The EFA's help with energy since your body will be shifting from using carbs for fuel to using fat for fuel.

That's what I would do, along with some GH and a few other things that aren't for novices. :D

DrG

[spidey]

Thanks Drgoodbody.

Your advice seems in sinc with what some other people I trust have been telling me as well.

I plan to use just enough T3 to kick my thyroid into the high end of the normal range, maybe 12.5 mcg ed. I added in the bold cyp to counteract the muscle eating tendency of T3. Although, I shouldn't have to worry that much on the low dose I am taking. I thought of frontloading but ultimately decided it wasn't necessary since it should be in full swing by week 4 when I plan to start running everything else. Remember, it isn't really EQ. It is a cypionate ester that should have similar release kinetics to test cyp; sort of a faster acting EQ.

I have bought my clen and T3 already and am looking into getting some ECA. I have a couple weeks before I plan to use these anyway.

I had a solid diet engineered for me by a PT at my gym and have seen this diet work for his clients before so I trust it. I also got lots of diet advice from this thread and others on other boards that I will incorporate.

Your recommended dose of Yohimbine is right in line with what I was planning (~16 mg ed).

I am working on an angle to get a script for HGH that will be covered by my insurance. I hope that comes through soon.

I AM ON A MISSION, LOL. I WILL lose 6 to 8% BF inside 10 weeks or bust trying.

Thanks again to all who have helped me here. I will be sure to post an update when my plan is fully together.

[spidey]

update

OK, I think I have everything in place. Here is the plan:

Diet: 5 meals a day where a meal is defined as 30-50g protein+15-30g carbs+ <10g fat.

Training: Cardio 20-30 minutes 3 times a week + my normal weight lifting schedule (3 day split, heavy weights to failure)

supplements and chemical help:

600 mg R-ALA (2x300mg) ed
2000 mcg B12 (oral) + 2000 mg vitamin C+multivitamin + 4g B5 ed
5-10g creatine ed

Weeks 1-10: Boldenone cypionate 400 mg ew (200mg Mon & Fri)
weeks 3-5: clen 20,40,60,80,100,(100x9 days)+yohimbe 12 mg
weeks 4-10: T3 (liquid T3 from NC) 12.5 mcg ed
weeks 5-7: ECA stack
weeks 7-9: Clen 100 x 14 days (yohimbe if necessary)

Thanks to all who chimed in to help me out.

[hitmansb]

Quite a well-thought-out regimen, spidey. You should have great results if you stick to it.

[prolangtum]

Yohimbine's fat burning potential is blocked by insulin, so avoid carbs for about 1 hour after taking Yohimbine.