All areas of a cycles questioned

[bigfish]

First off I want to thank everyone who actually is going to take the time and read this super long ass post (and all the damn quotes) and answer any of my questions. I have quite a few questions and thought it was best to make one big thread rather than a couple of small ones.

Now for my history: I’ve done two cycles of aas and two cycles of pro-hormones. I’m 23 5’11 205-208 around 12% bodyfat (this is the amount I has around six months ago and I think I’m the same now). I’ve been lifting seriously since I was fifteen (when I started I was the same height but around 150 pounds); by the time I was seventeen I was 190-195, but I got stuck there for about five years. My goal is to be at 220-226 area after PCT and maintain.

On this cycle I’ve chosen to do EQ (undeclynate for just one injection a week) for the slow steady gains, but more importantly because I read that the gains are kept really well. Of course Test because you need that as the base of any cycle; particularly Cypionate because I want to compare it (for future cycles) to Enanthanate. Finally I’ve chosen Tren because of the hardness and great strength gains. I chose Tren acetate because if the sides I keep reading so much about get too overwhelming (night terrors, sweats, and aggression) for me I can discontinue and theoretically lose them in about 4-5 days. The only draw back to me of acetate is the frequent injections; which I will get to more later on. Now here’s my planned cycle.

EQ (I know some don’t agree; explanation below)
Week 1 1200 mg divided into 4 injections
Week 2-14 600 mg
Week 14-17 idle
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Cypionate (pretty cut and dry)
Week 1-15 400 mgs
Week 16-17 idle

Tren Acetatae (this is where it gets tricky for me)

Brief explanation:
The reason I chose 75 mgs eod is because this is what my gear is dosed at for 1ml (pretty sure you can figure out which). Also I read that Tren should be done for beginners at 50mg ed or 100 mg eod, but I’m fine with being under dosed. Also I couldn’t handle the ed injections nor could my girl who gives me the injections. But if anyone thinks this is over simplifying things please let me know.

Option 1

Week 1-7 idle
Week 8-15 75 mgs eod and make sure my last injection is at least five days before my last injection of Cypionate to line up PCT correctly.
Week 16-17 idle

Or

I got to thinking about esters (for about five hours straight) and began to think why stop the Tren A the same time as the Cypionate? Why not continue (because of its half life) until about five days before I start PCT? It would look something like this:

Week 1-10 idle
Week 10-about 16 ½ 75 mgs eod (again about five days before the start of PCT)

But that would mean I would be doing the Tren without the Cypionate base; which is a big No/No right? I think that’s right but at the same time although I wouldn’t be taking another injection of Cypionate it would be still in my system (because of the 12 day half life); so I’m kind of confused?

On Cycle Therapy (OCT)
I plan on following Swales protocol so:

HCG
Week 1-15 500 ius split into 2 Shots (Mondays and Thursdays)

Nolvadex
I have enough to use 20 mgs a day if needed (won’t use it unless I see signs of gyno), but you shouldn’t use nolvadex with Tren because it causes more gyno? Letro or Arimdex should be used instead? Very confused on this topic.

PCT (just making sure it’s golden)

Starting week 17

Clomid
Day 1 300 mgs, Day 2-11 100 mgs, Day 12-21 50 mgs

Nolvadex
Week 17 -20 20 mgs ed

Now on to some injection questions; because at one point will be making about six injections a week I’m a little afraid about abscesses. Now I know about the site that shows the different places to inject, but honestly I’m just not comfortable with injecting anywhere other than the glute, quad, and delt. I’ve read too many posts about other places being injected and some bad shit happening. I prepared at little chart to show how a two week period of injections would go, and want to know if anyone sees a possible bad situation occurring. This chart applies to whenever I start the Tren.

3cc’s = EQ
1cc = Tren
2cc’s = Cypionate

Sun. 3cc right glute; 2cc left glute
Mon. 1cc right quad
Tues.
Wed.1cc left quad
Thurs.
Fri. 1cc right delt
Sat.
Sun. 1cc left delt; 3cc left glute; 2cc right glute
Mon.
Tues.1cc right quad
Wed.
Thurs.1cc left quad
Fri.
Sat.1cc right delt
Sun. 3cc right glute; 2cc left glute
Mon.1cc right quad

And yes I rotated the Cypionate and EQ shots on purpose so that one glute wouldn’t have more oil than the other over time. If I didn’t one glute would have received about 45 cc’s of oil and the other about 30 cc’s of oil. If this chart is erroneous and flawed (my new favorite word; wedding crashers remember) I probably won’t be able to do the Tren because I know I can’t handle ed injections, or I might have to reconsider Tren Enanthanate. Please tell me what you think.


Again thanks in advice to anyone who takes the time to read my post, and sorry if it’s difficult to distinguish the quotes and my writings. Any advice would be deeply appreciated. I apologize if some of my questions could be easily answered by using the search button, but honestly I search quite a while for some answers and didn’t find them. To those who already advised me not too frontload the EQ; sorry I’ve found equal the amount of members saying I should, so please don’t think I don’t take in consideration what you’ve already said and not bother to give any advice for this post. Those two quotes are mainly for you. Thanks again

[swampdonkey]

wow

looks like you put alotta time into this cycle! thats a good setup you got there. it looks like you got everything covered and the only thing i would do different is change the test to enan. but to each his own. my stats are almost exactly the same as yours exept im 3 years older and have done a couple more cycles. If you cant handle ED injects then it looks good on the tren side. personally i would do 100mg EOD but i understand why you chose not too. :bravonew:

[ROCKETW19]

you have done you research good i see that but you over looked one part you forgot to post what your 2 cycles were. that would help alot. other than that the cycle itself looks good your injection protocal looks crazy and i didnt want to study it so heres some advice instead of hittin 5ccs on sunday and 1cc on monday split everything up even.

[tigris]

Sorry im a rookie to just wondering ...

[bigfish]

That is one big IF question

[Shibby]

Sorry im a rookie to just wondering...

Your question breaks the board rules.

[hitmansb]

-Your dosages of EQ and test look great, and I like the frontloading of EQ.

-As far as Tren goes....75mg of tren per day is plenty. Anyone with a similar cycle history to yours who says they needed more for results probably had tren that was underdosed.

-Nolva will not cause tren gyno...but it is ineffective against the specific gyno that can be caused by tren (and nandrolones) because it cause gyno through progesterone-like behavior, not estrogen. To protect against that, you would need either bromocriptine or dostinex.

-I suggest not doing the 300mg first day dose of clomid...just do 100mg

[bigfish]

Hey hitsman b what tren option do you like the best, and I never had to tale as many injections in one week, is it ok inject a site once a week?

[ROCKETW19]

im not hitsman but ill post anyway i like option 1 for the tren and week 17 and 18 i would use 40mgs nolva i missed that the first time. you still havnt posted up your first two cycles. yes it is fine to hit a site 1 time per week. although each muscle can only take so many ccs.

[hitmansb]

I like option 1, because that will give progesterone activity a chance to fall off well before PCT begins. And it is okay to inject a site once a week....of course, it'd be even better to hit a site as little as possible. Do you have pretty big/thick lats? Lats are a nice site to inject. Upper pec is a decent site too, provided you have thick pecs. If not, stick to the schedule you developed up there...once a week will do.

[ROCKETW19]

I like option 1, because that will give progesterone activity a chance to fall off well before PCT begins. And it is okay to inject a site once a week....of course, it'd be even better to hit a site as little as possible. Do you have pretty big/thick lats? Lats are a nice site to inject. Upper pec is a decent site too, provided you have thick pecs. If not, stick to the schedule you developed up there...once a week will do.

do you agree with him hittin 5ccs on sunday and 1 cc on monday? or would you split it up evenly?

[hitmansb]

IMO, doesn't matter when esters that long are injected. With test cyp and EQ, I've done cycles where I divided the dose over two shots per week and other cycles where I injected it all on the same day...didn't find any difference whatsoever results-wise.

[ROCKETW19]

im sorry i didnt explane it right im with you as far as the esters are long so it dosnt matter. i was sayin split them up evenly for a comfort thing not a result thing.

[bigfish]

Sorry rocket both were test and deca. The first was Petpharma got huge but didn't no any better about pct so lost most and the second was Qv right after bust and either was fake or really underdosed because I didn't notice shit and quit the 7th week. Went back and did a Max lmg and promagnon cycle (some say are really designer steroids) ate great and worked out super hard, went to about 214 from about 198, did a real pct (though it took a long time for sex drive to come back) and have been maintaining at about 205 since then. I'm not going to start this cycle until 1-8-07. I don't drink while on cycle at all but I know during the 3 holidays I'm probably going to have drink or 3. Plus I want to see how much better I can do within the next 3 months without aas. I figure why waste on my gear on what I can do on my own thus making the gear count even more. I really excited about the BD I have too.

[bigfish]

Oh even though I lost the weight off the "prohormones" I am very close to that same strength.