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Check the bb.com thread, I went into length discussing every facet of this deal.
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Here's the thread, the individuals involved have replied.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...0&pagenumber=1Comment
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Id like to add my input, but Im simply not allowed :)Comment
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interesting stuff. i'm really curious how it ends... nevertheless keep ordering from mike. he always gave me excellent and fast service and i still like what he does for the business.Comment
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That Glucorell stuff seems abit pricey anyway... Thermorexin looks like a Kitchen Sink type product, and I heard it wasn't that great..Comment
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Actually, I think that I saw Ulter claim (on the BB.com thread) that he was willing to pay the testing costs if someone wanted to do an independant test. Try emailing him and asking if he will pay or re-imburse you for having his product tested.Originally posted by Hyperlite
i found this, but you have to pay for it :(
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Here is a post by Kronk on page 5 of the BB.com thread:Originally posted by lovetoeat
1fast doesn't own the lab, he owns the site that has the results posted. Knowing the trouble that would follow, why would he lie? Surely he and everyone else knew ulter wouldn't just accept it and move on.
Mike, I don't know you but could you please explain your affiliation with labelclaimstesting.com? Intresting information that a fellow moderator Zyg posted at Elite.
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09/25/03 11:29:43 whois *************
.com is a domain of USA & International Commercial
Searches for .com can be run at http://www.crsnic.net/
whois -h whois.crsnic.net ************* ...
Redirecting to GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
whois -h whois.godaddy.com ************* ...
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
Registrant:
Unlimited Nutrition
158 Holly Hill Lane
Burlington, North Carolina 27215
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: *************
Created on: 06-Jun-02
Expires on: 06-Jun-05
Last Updated on: 17-Jun-03
Secure the registration to this domain or any
other the instant it becomes available.
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Administrative Contact:
McCandless, Mike [email protected]
Unlimited Nutrition
P.O.Box 501
Alamance, North Carolina 27201
United States
(336) 538-1188 Fax -- (336) 538-1188
Technical Contact:
McCandless, Mike [email protected]
Unlimited Nutrition
P.O.Box 501
Alamance, North Carolina 27201
United States
(336) 538-1188 Fax -- (336) 538-1188
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS2.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS3.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS4.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
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Now, labelclaimstesting.com says its sponsored by ****************** and whois reports.
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09/25/03 11:31:13 whois ******************
.com is a domain of USA & International Commercial
Searches for .com can be run at http://www.crsnic.net/
whois -h whois.crsnic.net ****************** ...
Redirecting to GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
whois -h whois.godaddy.com ****************** ...
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
Registrant:
Unlimited Nutrition
P.O.Box 501
Alamance, North Carolina 27201
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: ******************
Created on: 20-Apr-03
Expires on: 20-Apr-05
Last Updated on: 04-Jun-03
Secure the registration to this domain or any
other the instant it becomes available.
DomainAlert(TM) Pro services protect, inform and
keep you in the action, 24/7.
Visit http://www.godaddy.com for details.
Administrative Contact:
McCandless, Mike [email protected]
Unlimited Nutrition
P.O.Box 501
Alamance, North Carolina 27201
United States
3365381188 Fax -- 3365381188
Technical Contact:
McCandless, Mike [email protected]
Unlimited Nutrition
P.O.Box 501
Alamance, North Carolina 27201
United States
3365381188 Fax -- 3365381188
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS2.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS3.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
NS4.MIRAGE-SOLUTIONS.COM
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Here is a quote from Mike himself on that same thread:
I assumed everyone knew I owned LabelClaimsTesting.com as I've never tried to keep that a secret. Obviously it stirred a shitstorm by me having that name up there, hence I took it off.
Mike
I'll say it again. HE OWNS THE LAB AT WHICH THE TEST WAS PERFORMED.Comment
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I am sorry Mike. I can't seem to find the explanation. As a matter of fact, you stated in that thread that you had info that would put 95% of this to rest but you weren't going into it.Originally posted by 1Fast400
Check the bb.com thread, I went into length discussing every facet of this deal.
Like I said, I don't know either of you personally and I have bought products from you both and was satisfied with the products and service I received from you both. I am trying hard not to take sides here but something just doesn't sound right about this whole mess.Comment
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Heres mike answering a post on BB.com.
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who paid for the tests? you have hinted directly and indirectly it was not you.
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I have stated previously as I do now, that I did not pay for the testing. It is up to the other party as to if they want to admit to paying for them (I can only say I had nothing to do with it)
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who gave you the tests? because it seems like you are hinting that it may or may not be the same as the person that paid
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They are same person. The person who paid for the testing gave me the results.
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who bought the bottles
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The people who did the testing bought them direct from the AF store.
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how were they shipped
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Hell if I know, I didn't buy them
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what happened to the other tests you had done, the ones that you siad these were a re-test of?
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If a test is not released it would be due to complications legally that may incurr from me releasing those test. I personally would not release a result if I thought someone might have ground to stand on in a court of law.
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what happened to the syntrax test?
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What syntrax test
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When did you put the bulk nut logo on your label site? because it was not there a while ago. though maybe I am being a bit conspirtatorial with that, maybe.
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I assumed everyone knew I owned LabelClaimsTesting.com as I've never tried to keep that a secret. Obviously it stirred a shitstorm by me having that name up there, hence I took it off.
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Why did you choose IBC? I am pretty sure that I have seen the methodology that they used, which admittedly I dont understand, attacked before.
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I didn't choose IBC, I didn't do the testing nor did I give any money towards the testing of any of the products in question. If they are attacked is not an issue, it is if they were able to stand up to an attack.
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I think that both anafit and labiochem put up testing methodolodies that were generally accepted so why were they not used?
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I can't answer this as I didn't have anything to do with who did what, but I will offer my opinion. SR labs, the company ulter maintains laughs at IBC, acknowledges the testing method used by IBC in an email which will be brought to light in court should a lawsuit come forth. SR admits to not "looking into" the study that is cited as a method of testing.
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I know thats a lot of questions but they are the ones that seem like you are hiding something.
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Almost all of those have been answered in some form today. Hopefully this clears you up a little bit. Ask more if you feel the need.
MikeComment
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odd thing is, when i posted that on elite, it was deleted shortly after. Huh.Comment
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Man that thread at BB.com is a riot!! All these guru's, mod's and admin's from so many boards jumping in!!! Holy shit I wanted to post something but held myself back - so many motherfuckers there that I don't like...
What a fuckin' riot! A real life supplement soap opera.
DrGLast edited by drgoodbody; 09-26-03, 03:39 PM.Comment
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Whether or not he paid for the testing is kind of beside the point. The fact is the test was performed at a lab HE OWNS. They had a vested interest in the test turning out the way it did. It's the obvious conflict of interest that really makes it smell fishy to me.Originally posted by prolangtum
Heres mike answering a post on BB.com.
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who paid for the tests? you have hinted directly and indirectly it was not you.
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I have stated previously as I do now, that I did not pay for the testing. It is up to the other party as to if they want to admit to paying for them (I can only say I had nothing to do with it)
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who gave you the tests? because it seems like you are hinting that it may or may not be the same as the person that paid
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They are same person. The person who paid for the testing gave me the results.
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who bought the bottles
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The people who did the testing bought them direct from the AF store.
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how were they shipped
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Hell if I know, I didn't buy them
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what happened to the other tests you had done, the ones that you siad these were a re-test of?
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If a test is not released it would be due to complications legally that may incurr from me releasing those test. I personally would not release a result if I thought someone might have ground to stand on in a court of law.
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what happened to the syntrax test?
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What syntrax test
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When did you put the bulk nut logo on your label site? because it was not there a while ago. though maybe I am being a bit conspirtatorial with that, maybe.
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I assumed everyone knew I owned LabelClaimsTesting.com as I've never tried to keep that a secret. Obviously it stirred a shitstorm by me having that name up there, hence I took it off.
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Why did you choose IBC? I am pretty sure that I have seen the methodology that they used, which admittedly I dont understand, attacked before.
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I didn't choose IBC, I didn't do the testing nor did I give any money towards the testing of any of the products in question. If they are attacked is not an issue, it is if they were able to stand up to an attack.
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I think that both anafit and labiochem put up testing methodolodies that were generally accepted so why were they not used?
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I can't answer this as I didn't have anything to do with who did what, but I will offer my opinion. SR labs, the company ulter maintains laughs at IBC, acknowledges the testing method used by IBC in an email which will be brought to light in court should a lawsuit come forth. SR admits to not "looking into" the study that is cited as a method of testing.
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I know thats a lot of questions but they are the ones that seem like you are hiding something.
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Almost all of those have been answered in some form today. Hopefully this clears you up a little bit. Ask more if you feel the need.
Mike
BTW, Ulter (if you read this), there are two methods that I can think of whereby the optical purity of R-ALA can be determined by HPLC. I don't think I want to put it out on the open boards but if you want to know how this could be done, PM me. Your contention that HPLC is an invalid method is not accurate.Comment
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I don't understand why you're not getting it, he owns labelclaimstesting.com, it's NOT A LAB, it's just a site where he posts the results of products he has tested at a lab. It's really not that complicated.Comment
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Yes Spidey, he does NOT OWN THE LAB, chew on it, mull it over. He owns Labels Claims Testing, its like a consumer advocacy group, that post results. he does NOT OWN THE LAB that tested it.Comment
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I got more of a jolt from chewing on a coffee bean, than I did form that Thermorexin shit...nowadays it isnt about the quality of the products, its all about the person whos offering them, and the legacy they carry with them. When people that have good reputations back things, the herd will follow, and it seems more and more the person with the good name, doesnt give a fuck about what they are endorsing, the just want the $$$ or whatever else they are getting for backing said thing
its become just like anything else out there(endorsement wise), this used to be a tight community, now its spread to these forms of bickering and bullshit...very sad actually, that after almost 7 yrs on these sites, im sickened to look at most because of drama like thisComment
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