My next cycle.. Thoughts..

[Bouncer]

Ok guys been off since 8/7/06 and plan on going back on around march.

Going to be a 12 week cycle.

Week 1-12 Test Enanthate 600mgs per week

Week 1-12 Tren Enanthate 400mgs per week

Week 1-12 Winstrol 25mgs per day


My Reason for the Winstrol is more for the anti-estrogenic/anti-progesterone effect that it has been known to cause. Winstrol has also been shown to actually enhance the effects of other steroids by lowering levels of SHBG in the body. SHBG binds to testosterone and prevents it from any anabolic effects. Low dose winny has been shown to lower SHBG levels by 50% or more. So not only can winny help to prevent estrogen induced gyno from test and progesterone induced gyno from tren, it also improves the potency of testosterone.


Let me know what you guys think.

[bigfish]

I'm certainly not experienced as you but the tren E for 12 weeks seems a lot. My next cycle looks very similar except I'm going to do tren E the last 8 weeks. It's been said that its toxic for your liver and that plus the 17aa winstrol for that length of time might do some damage to you. but I know you (from reading the last post) want to to know by what mechanism it harms your liver, and I have no clue but I would rather be safe than sorry though.

this is what my next cycle is going to look like

test e 1-12 600 mgs
tren e 5-12 400 mgs
and maybe add some winnie the last 4 weeks a 50 mgs

[Bouncer]

I'm certainly not experienced as you but the tren E for 12 weeks seems a lot. My next cycle looks very similar except I'm going to do tren E the last 8 weeks. It's been said that its toxic for your liver and that plus the 17aa winstrol for that length of time might do some damage to you. but I know you (from reading the last post) want to to know by what mechanism it harms your liver, and I have no clue but I would rather be safe than sorry though.

this is what my next cycle is going to look like

test e 1-12 600 mgs
tren e 5-12 400 mgs
and maybe add some winnie the last 4 weeks a 50 mgs

Nothing I have read or heard says anything about tren being very liver toxic. You may have a point about the winny though which is why I am considering the use of proviron instead for its effect on SHBG levels and its anti-estrogenic effect.

[Chadd77]

B, are you going to run any kind of anti-e or are you hoping that the winstrol will do the trick?

Looks good to me. There is no way I could run the tren for that long though. 6 weeks is my max. I have a horrible time sleeping on it. I'm lucky is I get 4-5 hours of sleep a night.

[house1]

bouncer i like it but would do 2 things - run winny at 50mgs the last 6 weeks of your cycle and add 50 mgs of proviron the last 8 weeks of your cycle or run it the full 12

i am a huge fan of proviron- has many benefits

i like the tren e at 12 weeks have run it for 16 but feel it starts to lose its kick- i would bump it to 500 mgs but then again i love that stuff aswell

have fun -

[ROCKETW19]

Ok guys been off since 8/7/06 and plan on going back on around march.

Going to be a 12 week cycle.

Week 1-12 Test Enanthate 600mgs per week

Week 1-12 Tren Enanthate 400mgs per week

Week 1-12 Winstrol 25mgs per day


My Reason for the Winstrol is more for the anti-estrogenic/anti-progesterone effect that it has been known to cause. Winstrol has also been shown to actually enhance the effects of other steroids by lowering levels of SHBG in the body. SHBG binds to testosterone and prevents it from any anabolic effects. Low dose winny has been shown to lower SHBG levels by 50% or more. So not only can winny help to prevent estrogen induced gyno from test and progesterone induced gyno from tren, it also improves the potency of testosterone.


Let me know what you guys think.

the only thing i realy dont like is the winny for 12 weeks, but i dont like winny period so im biased. this is your first run with tren also i belive. i would use tren A first to see how you react to it. tren isnt like other steroids that stuff is nasty. i do love it also but i found my tolerance already.

[ROCKILLER]

Just a thought as I recently read your post about the Nolva. You mentioned that you were on for a year for your last cycle. It doesnt sound like your body has gotten back to normal yet. Maybe it would be safer to wait a bit more. Isnt the general rule time on = time off? I know youre much more knowledgeable but I've noticed a lot of your posts cautioning others and I thought you might need a little of it yourself.