Cutting Up!

[sneaka]

Hi, i have been trainning for some years now naturally (never tried anything anabolic). Recently in my quest for size, i've been eating more to bulk up. My problem is i'm fighting a battle to stay lean enough for competitions while still gainning my size goals. I've been considering winny as it seems affective and relatively safe besides being hard on the liver. Is there any other options people would advise over winny? and what are your thoughts/experiences of winny? Thanks for your time!

[AZIS]

so you wanna run the winny by itself?

[Chadd77]

How does being hard on the liver = safe???

Not a fan of orals alone. If yo uare looking for a first cycle concider test around 300-500 mg/week for 12 weeks. What is your age? Weight? Diet?

[sneaka]

Yeah AZIS was going to try the winny by itself. I wasn't saying the affects on the liver were safe, I said besides the liver affects it seems safe (no other side affects as some anabolic substances do). I'm also unsure how damaging it is to liver which is why I'm asking advice.

This may sound stupid, but can I take test on its own and what type of test would you advise? Is test a far safer option?

I'm 24, 16stone and try to eat natural foods every three hours. I mainly eat fresh meat, loads of fish, potatoes, brown rice, wholewheat pasta etc. I do try and have a balanced diet though eating fruit and veg along side.

Thanks for discussing dudes!!!

[big chris]

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[Chadd77]

There are lots of posts on first cycles. Do some research and then come ask questions.

[JUICE]

This may sound stupid, but can I take test on its own and what type of test would you advise? Is test a far safer option?

test is good as a solo cycle and first cycle. Depends what type of test u wanna take, Prop (ed or eod injections), Cyp, Enanth.... 400-500mgs a week for 10 weeks.

[sneaka]

Right i've read all treads on first cycle etc that i can find. I think this would be a suitable first cycle, probably go for enanthate as it seemed by far the most popular in the 'which test' poll i read.

Wk 1-10 Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid

Would you guys agree that this would be a suitable first timer cycle?

[coffee-guy]

Right i've read all treads on first cycle etc that i can find. I think this would be a suitable first cycle, probably go for enanthate as it seemed by far the most popular in the 'which test' poll i read.

Wk 1-10 Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg each day
Wk 12-15 Clomid

Would you guys agree that this would be a suitable first timer cycle?

I would run your test for just a little bit longer - on my first cycle I only ran enanthate for 10 weeks at 500mg and I felt like I was just starting to get into the best part of the cycle about the same time I quit shooting - I would go for at least 12 weeks (my second one was almost 15 and I felt MUCH better with it)...

Also, back the Nolva down to 10mg ed during and then bump it up to a 40, 40, 20, 20 dose the last 4 weeks during PCT....

[Chadd77]

^ I agree 100%

[Ashop]

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Hi, i have been trainning for some years now naturally (never tried anything anabolic). Recently in my quest for size, i've been eating more to bulk up. My problem is i'm fighting a battle to stay lean enough for competitions while still gainning my size goals. I've been considering winny as it seems affective and relatively safe besides being hard on the liver. Is there any other options people would advise over winny? and what are your thoughts/experiences of winny? Thanks for your time!

dont run the winstrol alone. run with some test prop or test enan.