just wondering

[FrankTheTank55]

I have read time and time again on this site that your frist cycle should be Test only. I was just wondering why that is. I have been reading about Trenbolone and it seems like that is good stuff as far as the aromatization and water retention. I am still learning here, so if I sound like a idiot Im sorry but the only to find the answer to my question is to ask it. Thanks

[Bouncer]

Because you wont need much to grow a great deal. Their is no need for multiple compounds for a first time user. It would be overkill.

[FrankTheTank55]

Thanks alot

[coffee-guy]

I have read time and time again on this site that your frist cycle should be Test only. I was just wondering why that is. I have been reading about Trenbolone and it seems like that is good stuff as far as the aromatization and water retention. I am still learning here, so if I sound like a idiot Im sorry but the only to find the answer to my question is to ask it. Thanks

Are you implying that you want to run the Tren alone as a first cycle or Test and Tren for a first cycle?

[FrankTheTank55]

Are you implying that you want to run the Tren alone as a first cycle or Test and Tren for a first cycle?

Well I was wondering why you wouldnt run the Tren alone. But I have already started my first cycle of Test-E only and I was wondering if I could run the Tren with it. And if I could run them together would the PCT be the same? I was going to use Novadex and Clomid. Two weeks after my last shot.

[The Iron Bull]

Bro.....it depends on what your goals are?
Also, if your diet is not that great....Tren cann do wonders in this department.

[The Iron Bull]

No HCG???

Plus why would you use clomid and Nolva??? They are basicly the same thing?

If one was to use Nolva.....make sure you are off the TREN???? Are you using Ace or Enanthate???

The reasoning is that Nolva can act on the progesterone receptor thus increasing the Tren effects in this area

[FrankTheTank55]

No HCG???

Plus why would you use clomid and Nolva??? They are basicly the same thing?

If one was to use Nolva.....make sure you are off the TREN???? Are you using Ace or Enanthate???

The reasoning is that Nolva can act on the progesterone receptor thus increasing the Tren effects in this area

I wasnt using HCG is that going to be a problem?

The Tren is Ace and if I were to use it, how much would you suggest? I am doing 500mg Test-E a week and I have only done 2 shots so far. My diet is good but what did you mean about the Tren doing wonders in that area? Thanks for the help.

And as far as the nova and clomid that is what I was told by a few people so whould you say to just use the nova?

[Bouncer]

Nolva and Clomid are pretty much the same. They are both serms and work in the same matter. Some people still use both. I would use nolv over clomid. It has a stronger effect with less sides.

[coffee-guy]

I wasnt using HCG is that going to be a problem?

The Tren is Ace and if I were to use it, how much would you suggest? I am doing 500mg Test-E a week and I have only done 2 shots so far. My diet is good but what did you mean about the Tren doing wonders in that area? Thanks for the help.

And as far as the nova and clomid that is what I was told by a few people so whould you say to just use the nova?

HCG during your cycle is a great protocol but it isn't something that absolutely has to be done - the theory behind it is that at the beginning of your cycle you want to keep "the horses" in the barn so that when you need them later they're not 3 counties away and you have to track them down etc - however if you've only just finished your first week with the enanthate you still have about 2 or 3 weeks before you would even "need" to start the HCG just in case you can get your hands on some before then...

HCG also has protocols that tell you to load it at the end of your cycle - between your last shot of the cycle and PCT - some people take 5,000 iu's a couple of times during the break but I've never tried this....

Tren helps facilitate fat loss but you're diet is the most important part of the equation regardless of what you're running (EVER) - I would recommend that you post it up seeing that there are quite a few people here who could help - also - I would leave the Tren alone for this cycle just so you know what sides belong to the different compounds - you run the risk of getting gyno from test AND tren so if you get the symptoms how are you going to know which one triggered it - as for the Tren by itself question from earlier I've only ever researched what I have wanted to learn for myself so maybe someone else can chime in on this as I haven't ever looked into it and am not well versed in that area......

I have run nolva alone and nolva with clomid - my bloodwork has come back just the same in either case but the clomid made me an emotional wreck for a few weeks - I wouldn't recommend it at all just from that fact alone because it wasn't pretty in my case....

[FrankTheTank55]

Hey thanks alot guys, your very helpful.

[The Iron Bull]

I wasnt talking about fat loss and Tren.

Tren helps with diet by improving feed efficiency and mineral absorption. In other words, the food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed.

I agree "diet is the most important part of the equation" but if it isnt great and as long as you are supplying it with more then enough protein and vitamins and minerals, its not as important if you are running Tren then other steroids.

Also Bro, I would throw in some Proviron or Masteron.

[JUICE]

just run test alone bro for a first cycle. You will gain good, just remember to do your pct. And the diet too. like the guys say, u dont need to run other compounds with this one.