Baseball Report to Reveal Steroid Use

[YellowJacket]

Caffeine is an ergogenic aid. So what? Steriods are synthetic hormones. No matter what you call them, they can both improve performance. That is the point.

They both can, sure... but to what extent? Caffeine.. slightly energy enhancement, steroids, total body transformation and ridiculous strength gains... see where Im going with this?

Altitude makes it harder to catch your breath. If you cant breath you aren't going to be at your best. (I have studies if you like. :))

Why are they not undefeated? Well for one, they don't play at home every game. lol. 2. Just like steroids, the advantage dosent guarantee a win.

So they should be undefeated at home, right? Im saying, you can adapt to high altitude if you are on the opposing team, but this is no where near comparable to steroids. Its like saying teams who play in a dome have an advantage over teams who traditionally play outdoors. While this is true, no where near comparable to the effects of exogenous hormones.

As far as keeping the playing field even. Well that is never the case. Take steroids out of the discussion and the field is still not even.

Right, because some people have God given talent. Records are undeservingly being broken. I wont even go into the role model aspect of all this, but my kids would be taught to know that steroids are a form of cheating. If you want to use them for recreational purposes, Im totally cool with that, but when you use it in competition when others around you arent, youre a cheater. Plain and simple.

I also find it funny that you put "hard work" in caps implying somehow that people that do use steroids don't work hard.

Well... do they? Did Barry Bonds bust his ass to rehab his knee day and night to make a return? Would he have worked harder to come back knowing he didnt have steroids to help the process? Would he have broken the record without steroids? The likely answer to both of these is no.

[The_Grinder]

You do need power in golf, more explosive power though combined with flexibility. But as far as the PGA Tour goes I know a rules official on tour and he says the big problem of the future is abuse of mental and focus drugs. Tiger has never been diagnosed with ADD but he takes Aderol or something like it every day of his life.

[Bouncer]

I agree with many of the points you make YJ. I disagree on the big picture though. Hear me out.

The main point is the advantage. Common argument you hear all the time, "steroids give you an unfair advantage."

My point is, advantages are everywhere. It is common for many pro's to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars each year for a supplement/nutrition guru. These guys are on all kinds of supplement cocktails that would leave people in disbelief. That is an advantage over someone who doesn't have a supplement/nutrition guru.

Some of these guys are on oxygen/body purification machines. That is an advantage over someone who doesn't use that type of system.

There are many more "advantages" that when combined can be a HUGE advantage over someone that doesn't use them.

When the word steroid is brought up though, nope thats cheating and these guys should rot in hell. lol. Do you see what I am saying?

The same people that are "calling out" these athletes are people who drink coffee in the morning to wake up, they take pills for a headache, they have a cigarette because of stress and they go home and have a scotch and some Nyquil to go to sleep.

[YellowJacket]

I agree with you my man, but the reason when the word steroids gets dropped people perk up because...steroids are illegal. Now, if I do a few cycles am I going to be in the NFL. Fuck no. I couldnt play high school football after 2 cycles, but you have to remember, steroids are illegal for a reason. I know this is a bodybuilding board and a semi-safe haven for steroids, but from a medical stand point, steroids are and should be illegal. So lets say... many (if not all) sports revolve around speed, strength, explosiveness, ability to recover, etc. all these things can be achieved via steroids. So when Joe Blow lays in an oxygen-enriched tank at night to sleep, you can compare this to injecting exogenous hormones thats going to increase the aforementioned abilities.

The same people that are "calling out" these athletes are people who drink coffee in the morning to wake up, they take pills for a headache, they have a cigarette because of stress and they go home and have a scotch and some Nyquil to go to sleep.

I agree with this totally, humorous or not, its true. BUT, these things arent banned and controlled like steroids are.

[Bouncer]

I agree with you my man, but the reason when the word steroids gets dropped people perk up because...steroids are illegal. Now, if I do a few cycles am I going to be in the NFL. Fuck no. I couldnt play high school football after 2 cycles, but you have to remember, steroids are illegal for a reason. I know this is a bodybuilding board and a semi-safe haven for steroids, but from a medical stand point, steroids are and should be illegal. So lets say... many (if not all) sports revolve around speed, strength, explosiveness, ability to recover, etc. all these things can be achieved via steroids. So when Joe Blow lays in an oxygen-enriched tank at night to sleep, you can compare this to injecting exogenous hormones thats going to increase the aforementioned abilities.



I agree with this totally, humorous or not, its true. BUT, these things arent banned and controlled like steroids are.

I understand the illegal aspect. I am looking at it from a different aspect though. A "lets be real" aspect You know damn well that alcohol an cigarette's have a far better resume in terms of what should be illegal.

I also still have to say that advantages are advantages. One may help more then another but they are still advantages. My point was referring to your level playing field comment.

[YellowJacket]

I understand the illegal aspect. I am looking at it from a different aspect though. A "lets be real" aspect You know damn well that alcohol an cigarette's have a far better resume in terms of what should be illegal.

I also still have to say that advantages are advantages. One may help more then another but they are still advantages. My point was referring to your level playing field comment.

I can agree to disagree, but I do see your point, and besides...

[Bouncer]

I can agree to disagree, but I do see your point, and besides...

hahaha. i see your points as well. good pic. :rofl:

[toolwtf]

I have to say I agree with YJ 100% on this topic. I think baseball is a joke because of all the cheating. My best friend made it all the way to AAA with the pittsburg pirates organization, I was around it a lot in the minors, and all these baseball players were jokes. And yes, most of them used, and most all of them took adderrall, the others prayed for rain so that they didn't have to play the game that day. They wanted to go out and snort cocaine and chase pussy.

[alwaysgrowing]

its just another supplement. it shouldn't be banned. some of these guys live eat and breathe their sport. so every advantage helps.

[Bouncer]

Clemens denies steroid use

Story Highlights
# Bush says he hopes report helps put "steroid era" in past
# Pitcher's lawyer: "There has never been one shred of tangible evidence"
# Report author Mitchell says he has witnesses, paper trail
# Mitchell: Most players named in report chose not to meet with him

A lawyer for Roger Clemens strongly denies the seven-time Cy Young Award winner used steroids to pump up his body and his pitching statistics.

More here: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/12/14...ef=mpstoryview

[OhHannah]

Denying the benefit of recovery-enhancing, joint-protecting drugs to people whose jobs subject them to tremendous physical wear and tear and extreme physical demands, especially as they grow older, is as inhumane as denying them any other form of medical support.

Rotator cuff surgery and cruciate ligament repair are two forms of medical support for athletes that were not historically available to baseball players. Injuries that would have been career-ending in the past are no longer. Baseball statistics are most definitely affected as a consequence of this new medical technology. No one would even consider denying these surgeries to baseball players, probably because they can't be misused or easily demonized in the public mind. It is a lot harder to tell scary lies on the news about ACL surgery than it is about steroids.

As to the "cheating" argument, it isn't cheating if it is used legitimately as medical support and recovery enhancement for everyone who could benefit by it. Is the surgical repair of a torn muscle or ligament "cheating"? If not, why not? Is there really a substantial ethical difference between surgically assisted recovery and chemically assisted recovery?