2nd Cycle advice

[richiboy82]

Hey all, just looking for some advice on my 2nd cycle any advice criticism is welcomed!

I have just (8weeks ago) finished my first cycle of:

Sus250 @ twice a week
with Deca twice a week - both for 6 weeks
then finished with a cycle of clomid for 3 weeks.

I gained quite a bit, and kept over a 1-2stone and still look quite lean.

Now im looking to do my 2nd cycle but with Dianabol (inj)
And to incorporate a Test. Was looking at using Sus250 again as I was not that sensitive to it and sides were minimal - Oily skin n W/retention wasnt bad either.

I want to run my cycle for 6weeks again, but was thinking 8 maybe? But I know you shouldnt, or is advised not to go no more than 6 weeks (Dianabol) but if so then 8 weeks max! Would you advise going for the 8 or stick with the 6?

So cycle is as:

Dianabol - mg? 15/20mg (Week 1-6/8)
Sus250 - mg ? (Week 7/9 - 11/12)

Then finish off with novedex for 3 weeks. 100mg then cut down to 50mg after 1st week. Clomid didnt agree to well with me.

If advice on the mg could be given for a novice only on 2nd cycle would be again much appreciated.

[Bouncer]

Dont inject the dbol. Just drink it, its 17-aa so it works just the same.

As for 6 weeks. That is really to short to be honest. Deca, and Sust don't really start giving there main benefits until about week 3. So basically you ended your first cycle after it had just kicked in.

the dbol should be run for no more then 4 weeks 6 weeks at the longest. i would run the sust for 10-12 weeks, 2 shots per week.

nolvadex should be run 3 weeks after your last shot of sust.

[richiboy82]

Thanks for the reply and advice.

So if taking the Oral preferably, do I go for a higher dose due to the amount that is broken down and gets through or does it not matter? Inj vs Oral is the same?
-I know you shouldnt do too high of a dose as it could lead to even more of a loss that gets through?

Also, how much do u recommend on the dianabol per day? is 15-20 enough? or as i have read, 30mg a day suitable?

As for the sus, should I stick to 250 a week as before or should I go for 500 a week?

Thanks for mentioning about 6 weeks not being enough, I just wanted to get my body used to it and step it up later on in future cycles. Bascially its just trial and error to see what suits me best even thou im aware of the sides with each steroid. Being a novice im not going to rush into some major cycle or walk in blind if that makes sense?

Very grateful for ur reply!

[Bouncer]

Thanks for the reply and advice.

So if taking the Oral preferably, do I go for a higher dose due to the amount that is broken down and gets through or does it not matter? Inj vs Oral is the same?
-I know you shouldnt do too high of a dose as it could lead to even more of a loss that gets through?

Also, how much do u recommend on the dianabol per day? is 15-20 enough? or as i have read, 30mg a day suitable?

As for the sus, should I stick to 250 a week as before or should I go for 500 a week?

Thanks for mentioning about 6 weeks not being enough, I just wanted to get my body used to it and step it up later on in future cycles. Bascially its just trial and error to see what suits me best even thou im aware of the sides with each steroid. Being a novice im not going to rush into some major cycle or walk in blind if that makes sense?

Very grateful for ur reply!

I would run the dbol at 30-40mgs per day for 4 weeks to kick off the cycle.

As for the sust, you said you were shooting twice a week so you were taking 500mgs per week in effect. i would run it at 500mgs a week spaced out between 2 shots.

i understand about trial and error but facts are facts. It take a certain amount of time for certain steroids to really start working. Its the doses you should be worried about Dont go to high.

[richiboy82]

Thanks alot, I appreciate ur response!

[richiboy82]

Bouncer (or any 1) 2 more Q's for you if you dont mind?

To be honest a few of the guys where I am are on a cycle including Dbol but not the exact same as the above. Story goes, their on a Day on Day off with the Dbol for 6weeks, is the benefit the same? Common sense tells me it wouldnt be but aparently to them it is.

Would you recommend doing it this way or just stick to it day by day.
Only reason im asking this is because if the half life is what 3-4 hours then surely ur not going to benefit as much if you were doing it "each" day?

Also with the stacking, should I take the sus at the same time as the Dbol like I did with the Sus n Deca?

By the time the test starts, it will be time to come off the Dbol right. Sounds like I havent done my research, but its just gospel that sways me with "them".

Im asking here as you all seem very reliable with ur advce and are experienced.

Thanks all.

[ROCKETW19]

You dont want to run the D-bol everyother day that will make blood levels spike up and down way to crazy. you want blood levels as constant as possable. most experienced guys wont even use sust due to it being very hard to keep levels even. take both at the same time and stay consistant with you dosing. some will even say split and take the d-bol 2 times per day.

[Bouncer]

Bouncer (or any 1) 2 more Q's for you if you dont mind?

To be honest a few of the guys where I am are on a cycle including Dbol but not the exact same as the above. Story goes, their on a Day on Day off with the Dbol for 6weeks, is the benefit the same? Common sense tells me it wouldnt be but aparently to them it is.

Would you recommend doing it this way or just stick to it day by day.
Only reason im asking this is because if the half life is what 3-4 hours then surely ur not going to benefit as much if you were doing it "each" day?

Also with the stacking, should I take the sus at the same time as the Dbol like I did with the Sus n Deca?

By the time the test starts, it will be time to come off the Dbol right. Sounds like I havent done my research, but its just gospel that sways me with "them".

Im asking here as you all seem very reliable with ur advce and are experienced.

Thanks all.

yea, taking dbol ever other day doesn't make much sense. i used to like the 5mg tabs, i would take them throughout the day. take the dbol every day for the first 4 weeks of your cycle. by the time you come of the dbol the sust will really be kicking in. the dbol will "kick off" the cycle so to speak.

[coffee-guy]

The beauty of Sustanon is that it will kick in within just a few days - the ugly side of it is exactly what Rocket pointed out with the incredibly inconsistent blood levels - I know some people who have had great results with shooting Sustanon either EOD or E3D's to counteract this problem... I suggest at least EOD at lower doses but if you're going to do that then try to get your hands on Propionate - it's typically cheaper....

[Bouncer]

The beauty of Sustanon is that it will kick in within just a few days - the ugly side of it is exactly what Rocket pointed out with the incredibly inconsistent blood levels - I know some people who have had great results with shooting Sustanon either EOD or E3D's to counteract this problem... I suggest at least EOD at lower doses but if you're going to do that then try to get your hands on Propionate - it's typically cheaper....

that is why i said to shoot it twice a week. you cant really shoot it EOD because it mostly comes in amps at 250mg/ml he would either be using a shit load of test a week or would have some open amps. neither are good things. 250mg on Monday and 250mg on a friday will be fine for sust.

[coffee-guy]

that is why i said to shoot it twice a week. you cant really shoot it EOD because it mostly comes in amps at 250mg/ml he would either be using a shit load of test a week or would have some open amps. neither are good things. 250mg on Monday and 250mg on a friday will be fine for sust.

Fair enough - just know that the personal examples I happened to be referring to included the use of Tren and the Sustanon came in vials so EOD shots were actually quite simple and made sense when being used that way - damn I've missed you big guy ;)

[Bouncer]

Fair enough - just know that the personal examples I happened to be referring to included the use of Tren and the Sustanon came in vials so EOD shots were actually quite simple and made sense when being used that way - damn I've missed you big guy ;)

yea, i agree with you if we are talking vials.

[ROCKETW19]

yea, i agree with you if we are talking vials.

you could do it with amps also. crack open a amp pull out what you need say 1/2cc and then pre-load another with the other half.

[Bouncer]

you could do it with amps also. crack open a amp pull out what you need say 1/2cc and then pre-load another with the other half.

i really dont like that idea, the BA sitting in plastic. i guess its only a day but. i would just rather shoot on monday and friday.

[ROCKETW19]

i really dont like that idea, the BA sitting in plastic. i guess its only a day but. i would just rather shoot on monday and friday.

Ya that used to bother me also but I have been loading it like this for years and never a problem yet. I usally load monday and thursdays on monday and forget about it untill thursday. I have even loaded up 2 weeks worth of gear with no problems.(knock on wood)