First Cycle for an Old Guy

[mikeaustin]

I would like to get your thoughts/recommendations on this cycle. Let me tell you a little back ground on me. I’m 48, been lifting on and off for 30+ years. My current (ideal) workout schedule is weight trading in the mornings Monday – Friday. I do cardio at lunch Monday – Friday, which consist of boxing 2-3 time a week and basketball 2 times a week. I’m 6’ and 178 lbs, with +/- 18% bf, I’m in good shape.

Here’s my goal, I runaround with people 10 – 12 years younger than me, which makes me feel a little old. My thought is if I could have a better body than them I would feel better about the age thing. I don’t want to be huge, just a little bigger and harder.
I admit I’m shallow.

My research has led me to the follow cycle:

Week 1-12 - Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/week
My question here is can I get away with less 250 mg/week, if I run HGH too? It has some benefits us old guys like. Would 1 iu/day be enough? Run for 6 months? Does MGF work as well?

There seem to be three schools of thought concerning running HCG. Some say run it during your cycle and some say run it after your cycle, some say not at all.
Your thoughts please.

Post Cycle -
Week 12-17 Tamoxifen Citrate 20/mg/day
Week 14-15 Clomiphene Citrate 100/mg/day
Week 16-17 Clomiphene Citrate 50/mg/day
Week 14-15 Spironolactone 50/mg/day
Is this need if you run HCG?

Mesterolone (Proviron) 25-50 mg/day for gyno or water retention – use at first sign. Acute case of gyno use Nolvadex 20-40 mg for 3-4 days, then Proviron.
Prostate issues use Proviron 50 mg/day

So for the long post.

I really appreciate your help.

[Bouncer]

Hey Mike, welcome to the board. You sound like you have done a good amount of research, its always good to have members that take the time to learn.

I would also like to point out something. I am sure you already know this and dont need a speech about it but I will say it anyway. You should be doing this for yourself, not to make your self look younger and thus feel better about yourself. Thats really not a good way to go about anything. Focus on yourself and not about others will think of you.

Now to your question. Yes, you can run 250mg/week that is a much higher dose then your body (48 years old) is producing naturally. So you will definitely notice a kick from that.

1iu of gh is not enough really. you need 2iu-3iu to really notice anything.

as far as HCG goes, i never use it. i just don't want to use a drug that raises estrogen levels so much. others use it though.

if you get gyno i doubt proviron will do anything for it. in my experiance, proviron is simply to weak. nolvadex or arimidex would be a much better option.

as far as your PCT. Clomid and Nolvadex are almost identical drugs and work in the exact same matter. regardless of what you have read, nolvadex is all that is needed. clomid also has some noticeable sides that nolvadex does not have. on top of it clomid can have a bad effect on vision. if that were not enough, mg per mg nolvadex is simply more potent. i would leave clomid out of my PCT.

[mikeaustin]

Thank you for your help. What are your thoughts on MGF or Igf? Do they work?

[Bouncer]

for some they work for others not so good.

[Stonecold54]

Thank you for your help. What are your thoughts on MGF or Igf? Do they work?

never used MGF...I have used IGF and in conjunction with GH it would be a great add. if I were you (Which I am not, lol) here is what I would run.

Test Enanthate- 300-350mg per week
GH (I am assuming you already have the money and source to get this since you mentioned it) 2-3iu/day
IGF- Monday Wed Friday between 50-100 mcg per day (split into two shots)
Proviron-love this drug no matter what Bouncer says with that amount of test it will work perfectly to enhance water shedding AND getting more bound test freed up to do its work. its a great drug.

Keep Novladex on hand (which I am sure you are doing since it will be used PCT). I don't believe in PCT so I won't comment on that and with what you are using I gurantee it won't matter plus with your age I don't see what you are "kick-starting" no offense. it would be better to just use HRT after your real cycle. again with HCG there is no need with that amount of test and no reason for PCT again for your age.

[barbender]

IGF is good to use. I would prob skip the HCG being that this is your first cycle and you are thinking of only 250mg/wk Test E. Nolva should do the trick. Welcome to the board brother