thoughts

[bigscott]

1 gram - test enathate - 16 weeks - will be dropped to 250 mgs after 16 weeks

1 gram - tren - 12 weeks or should do 16 with the test ?

50 mgs dbol ed _ 4 to 6 weeks -

8 ius growth eod -- 3 in the am - 2 at noon -- 3 post workout

30 units slin - 10 in the am -- 10 at noon - 10 post workout

1000 mcgs per week - mgf -- 4 weeks on 4 weeks off

100 mcgs igf3 -- post workout - 4 weeks on 4 weeks off


letro or adex will be run

this is for a friend next spring :) -- what are your thoughts

[Bouncer]

my thoughts are that 1 gram of tren is dumb. sorry but i have to be honest. the benefit between 600mg a week of tren and 1000mg would be very small, the sides however would be big. NOBODY needs a gram of tren.

i would rather do 4iu of GH everyday over 8iu EOD.

other then that its fine.

[coffee-guy]

Everything looks spot on to me - just run the Tren for the first 12 weeks in my book though - it'll give your friend time to recover before he starts cruising on the maintenance dose of 250mg Enanthate - I gave this approach it's second shot not too long ago and I fared WAY better on my lab results compared to last time I stopped my test/tren combo together...

[Bouncer]

Everything looks spot on to me

sorry, your spot is just wrong. lol

[bigscott]

my thoughts are that 1 gram of tren is dumb. sorry but i have to be honest. the benefit between 600mg a week of tren and 1000mg would be very small, the sides however would be big. NOBODY needs a gram of tren.

i would rather do 4iu of GH everyday over 8iu EOD.

other then that its fine.

hmmm take a look at your dream cycle thread :)

8 ius eod of gh is far better then 4 ius ed imo -- i myself have seen a huge difference doing it that way -

1 gram of tren is alot if you cant handle sides --

i like the setup -- made for max growth

[coffee-guy]

sorry, your spot is just wrong. lol

I'm pretty sure bigscott's friend was used to running just as high if not higher doses of tren way back when - I can recall a thread or two where he was running acetate at doses eod that made my head hurt just thinking about it...

Either way - I never said *I* would run this cycle - just that it serves the purpose of what he's shooting for and I see nothing wrong with the way it's laid out....

Although I would lean towards low doses of Letro over Arimidex now that I have had more time to think about it - with everything combined in those first couple of weeks I don't think Arimidex would do me any good......

;)....

[Bouncer]

I'm pretty sure bigscott's friend was used to running just as high if not higher doses of tren way back when - I can recall a thread or two where he was running acetate at doses eod that made my head hurt just thinking about it...

Either way - I never said *I* would run this cycle - just that it serves the purpose of what he's shooting for and I see nothing wrong with the way it's laid out....

Although I would lean towards low doses of Letro over Arimidex now that I have had more time to think about it - with everything combined in those first couple of weeks I don't think Arimidex would do me any good......

;)....

just because someone has run a certain dose in the past does not make it right or even better to do more in the present. i would much rather combine a few things at lower doses.

[coffee-guy]

I guess if we're going to give our advice I might as well say I don't agree with the 30 iu's of slin being split the way they are - you've already got to be super scrict with your diet to run slin as it is and since you want to avoid fats for a while thereafter I can't see the diet with this setup containing much fat at all (at least not timed in a way that it won't possibly get stored in the body that way)...

I would rather see this guy run 15 iu's of HumulinR in the am before breakfast and then a faster acting Humalog at 15 iu's pwo so that the rest of the day fats can be utilized without being stored....

And if we're on the subject of running Tren and high doses I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I don't like high doses but I wasn't gonna bash a vet weighing 280 pounds for running something *he* is comfortable with running - I mean I wouldn't even run a gram of test at this point in my life but I'm also not creeping up on 40 and only weigh about 240 right now so it's hard for me to critique that without feeling like I'm just saying what *I* would do instead of saying whether or not the cycle itself is acceptable for *him*......

;) (again)....

[ROCKETW19]

And if we're on the subject of running Tren and high doses I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I don't like high doses but I wasn't gonna bash a vet weighing 280 pounds for running something *he* is comfortable with running - I mean I wouldn't even run a gram of test at this point in my life but I'm also not creeping up on 40 and only weigh about 240 right now so it's hard for me to critique that without feeling like I'm just saying what *I* would do instead of saying whether or not the cycle itself is acceptable for *him*......

;) (again)....

Good point I was gonna say alot of the same stuff as bouncer but your right this thread isnt about what I would do.
If I look at the combo of gear used and not the doses it is a great cycle (execpt I know nuttin about slin)
His friend obviously has run big number of tren before so I would have to say he knows what hes doing and cycle looks good.
I would also add I and you should stop the tren at no more than 12 weeks.

[Bouncer]

And if we're on the subject of running Tren and high doses I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I don't like high doses but I wasn't gonna bash a vet weighing 280 pounds for running something *he* is comfortable with running - I mean I wouldn't even run a gram of test at this point in my life but I'm also not creeping up on 40 and only weigh about 240 right now so it's hard for me to critique that without feeling like I'm just saying what *I* would do instead of saying whether or not the cycle itself is acceptable for *him*......

;) (again)....

understood but the 280lb vet is only about 225lbs on stage so his of season weight should be more like 250lbs. the other 30lbs is just excess and that has no bearing on doses etc. not putting him down or anything like that, i love the guy, just dont want to see him go overboard with something that he would get the same benefit from half the dose.

[bigscott]

I guess if we're going to give our advice I might as well say I don't agree with the 30 iu's of slin being split the way they are - you've already got to be super scrict with your diet to run slin as it is and since you want to avoid fats for a while thereafter I can't see the diet with this setup containing much fat at all (at least not timed in a way that it won't possibly get stored in the body that way)...

I would rather see this guy run 15 iu's of HumulinR in the am before breakfast and then a faster acting Humalog at 15 iu's pwo so that the rest of the day fats can be utilized without being stored....

And if we're on the subject of running Tren and high doses I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I don't like high doses but I wasn't gonna bash a vet weighing 280 pounds for running something *he* is comfortable with running - I mean I wouldn't even run a gram of test at this point in my life but I'm also not creeping up on 40 and only weigh about 240 right now so it's hard for me to critique that without feeling like I'm just saying what *I* would do instead of saying whether or not the cycle itself is acceptable for *him*......

;) (again)....

point taken on nthe slin and will adjust accordingly

[bigscott]

understood but the 280lb vet is only about 225lbs on stage so his of season weight should be more like 250lbs. the other 30lbs is just excess and that has no bearing on doses etc. not putting him down or anything like that, i love the guy, just dont want to see him go overboard with something that he would get the same benefit from half the dose.

point taken bouncer -- will see what bf% is in the spring -- thats what is great about this board -- get to bounce ideas off of everyone and come up with final setup --

also 225 onstage may change in the future with a different nutritionist -- do feel person in question was being stripped down to far -

oh and the third person stuff is becoming gay :)

[ROCKETW19]

oh and the third person stuff is becoming gay :)

agreed!:rofl:

[Bouncer]

point taken bouncer -- will see what bf% is in the spring -- thats what is great about this board -- get to bounce ideas off of everyone and come up with final setup --

also 225 onstage may change in the future with a different nutritionist -- do feel person in question was being stripped down to far -

oh and the third person stuff is becoming gay :)

ahahha, you are awsome.

[Ashop]

1 gram - test enathate - 16 weeks - will be dropped to 250 mgs after 16 weeks

1 gram - tren - 12 weeks or should do 16 with the test ?

50 mgs dbol ed _ 4 to 6 weeks -

8 ius growth eod -- 3 in the am - 2 at noon -- 3 post workout

30 units slin - 10 in the am -- 10 at noon - 10 post workout

1000 mcgs per week - mgf -- 4 weeks on 4 weeks off

100 mcgs igf3 -- post workout - 4 weeks on 4 weeks off


letro or adex will be run

this is for a friend next spring :) -- what are your thoughts

Tren dose is rather large. I dont think you will need that much. especially for 12 wks