Testosterone therapy and AAS question

[COLOSSUS]

Alright guys. I have a quick question. I just recently found out that my buddy is goin through the same thing that i am in regards to testosterone replacement due to low test levels.

i didnt go as far as to ask him how low his levels were. if fact im not even supposed to know but i have found out.

anyways. iv posted in another thread that my levels when they were tested not too long ago were at 155 overall. i also mentioned that the doc put me on a topical gel called Testim which i rub a 50mg tube on my upper arms and shoulders every morning.

now for my questions.

i know what the answer is most likely gonna be but just humor me:P

my buddy whom iv mentioned up above is recieving test cyp. injections 100mg every other week. On top of that he is taking tren.

i know that your not supposed to take tren without stacking it with a minimum of test. but is 100 mg even close to enough??

shouldnt it be at a minimum like 250mg?

i asked him his opinion on whether it would be a good idea for me to get on because i know have it so readily available and he said that with the gel i should be fine.

I myself think it is not. but i wanna hear it from someone more experienced.

again dont kill me for asking. i just wanna clarify :)

[Bouncer]

Alright guys. I have a quick question. I just recently found out that my buddy is goin through the same thing that i am in regards to testosterone replacement due to low test levels.

i didnt go as far as to ask him how low his levels were. if fact im not even supposed to know but i have found out.

anyways. iv posted in another thread that my levels when they were tested not too long ago were at 155 overall. i also mentioned that the doc put me on a topical gel called Testim which i rub a 50mg tube on my upper arms and shoulders every morning.

now for my questions.

i know what the answer is most likely gonna be but just humor me:P

my buddy whom iv mentioned up above is recieving test cyp. injections 100mg every other week. On top of that he is taking tren.

i know that your not supposed to take tren without stacking it with a minimum of test. but is 100 mg even close to enough??

shouldnt it be at a minimum like 250mg?

i asked him his opinion on whether it would be a good idea for me to get on because i know have it so readily available and he said that with the gel i should be fine.

I myself think it is not. but i wanna hear it from someone more experienced.

again dont kill me for asking. i just wanna clarify :)

100mg every other week is the correct HRT dose. no, it is not enough to be running as a cycle etc..

[COLOSSUS]

thats what i thought.

thanks for makin it short n sweet.


as far as running a cycle while on the doc prescribed gel/ injections.

what would you recommend?

[Bouncer]

thats what i thought.

thanks for makin it short n sweet.


as far as running a cycle while on the doc prescribed gel/ injections.

what would you recommend?

i would recommend you either go on HRT from the doc or you do a cycle. doing both is just dumb. :)

[COLOSSUS]

i would recommend you either go on HRT from the doc or you do a cycle. doing both is just dumb. :)

haha alright.


so if i were to go on a cycle. lets say just test and tren.

test at 250mg per week and tren at about 50-75mg eod

after coming off. would i immediately continue to take the doctor prescribed gel as before?

[redback]

You would keep running test after the tren but your wasting your time with test gels. Do a proper cycle, imo 250mgs of test is not enough when running tren.

[COLOSSUS]

You would keep running test after the tren but your wasting your time with test gels. Do a proper cycle, imo 250mgs of test is not enough when running tren.

so are you saying that i should just "self medicate" my low test levels myself with aas instead of using the gel?

what do you think would be a proper dose while running tren? keep in mind im gonna keep it at a low dose. around 50mgs. i dont think ill go above 75mgs.

sorry for all the questions. i just cant seem to find any hard facts on the subject.

[redback]

so are you saying that i should just "self medicate" my low test levels myself with aas instead of using the gel?

what do you think would be a proper dose while running tren? keep in mind im gonna keep it at a low dose. around 50mgs. i dont think ill go above 75mgs.

sorry for all the questions. i just cant seem to find any hard facts on the subject.

I dont know what your goals are or how long you plan to stay on HRT. Usually once you start you dont come off. As far as a real cycle goes, you could "self medicate" on top of your Hrt, so you cruise on Hrt levels and then have a "blast" where you increase the dosage and add other compounds. It really depends on how serious you are. As far as doses go, that is something you need to experiment with yourself.

[COLOSSUS]

alright i think i know what im gonna do. i think im just gonna stay on the hrt and add a low dose of test prop. (starting at 250) and tren Ace(probably not goin over 50mgs). for now im just going to experiment with how this goes while im on hrt. ill probably get my levels checked again 3/4 through my cycle and then again about a month or two afterwards to see where it left me. all of this while im still applying the 50mg tube of testim gel/ hrt. [if you find anything that i just said stupid let me know cause like i said im just experimenting]

thanks guys.
wish me luck.

[redback]

How old are you and why is your test low?

[COLOSSUS]

im 21. young i know. my test levels are low cause i was stupid and fucked around with some prohormones even tho i know better.

[Bouncer]

im 21. young i know. my test levels are low cause i was stupid and fucked around with some prohormones even tho i know better.

lmao. prohormones do not shut you down permanently at that age. i thought you were older.

get yourself some nolvadex and run it at 40mg a day for 2 months. then go get your blood work done. do not go on cycle and do not go on HRT. your natural test will come back if you give it time.

[COLOSSUS]

lmao. prohormones do not shut you down permanently at that age. i thought you were older.

get yourself some nolvadex and run it at 40mg a day for 2 months. then go get your blood work done. do not go on cycle and do not go on HRT. your natural test will come back if you give it time.

well shit. i feel dumb. i just figured since thats what the doc said.

yea man. im young but you can still call me daddy:fufool:


as far as the nolva. im really estrogen gyno prone and im worried about the estrogen rebound when i come off of the nolva. plus i have some existing gyno, puffy nips that i need to get rid of. can i run letro instead of the nolva and have the same effect?

[COLOSSUS]

scratch that. im getting some letro.

thanks again

[Bouncer]

letro would be a good idea if you have pre existing gyno. however, there is also a rebound effect. i think a healthy medium for you would be armidex.