My PCT - Thoughts?

[Kiev]

When I did a cycle of test i used just Nolva afterwards didn't need Hcg but maybe i would have had better results. right now after roger clemons I can get test but can't get anything else. good luck with recovery

[Mr I]

my endo doc wanted me to do 10000 units a week for 4 weeks - needless to say i now have 40000 units in my fridge :)

From what I've read lately the problem with puttin in big doses of hcg is that it really hikes the estrogen levels, themselves causing negative feedback, and also large doses supposedly desensitise the leydig cells and so the next hcg shot after barely has and stimulation effect on the testes. Just what I've read and wouldn't want to argue with a qualified endo, I probably done about 8 shots at 500-1000iu now and my balls have grown but only a little.

25mg aromasin a day and 20mg nolva

[Mr I]

Update

So nearly at the end of my HCG now, couple days left then I'll stay on nolva for four weeks after.

I'm gonna use a bit of effedrine only like 30mg in the am since I'm getting a little softer already. Also looking to train more often but less body parts per workout and do 30mins light cardio each time.

[Mr I]

Q

I have nolvadex and arimidex on hand

just finished my hcg and my nads are , well, bigger than they were at least

Would nolvadex or arimidex be better? I hav 28 arimidex and a few packs nolva

[Bouncer]

Q

I have nolvadex and arimidex on hand

just finished my hcg and my nads are , well, bigger than they were at least

Would nolvadex or arimidex be better? I hav 28 arimidex and a few packs nolva

go with the nolv.

[Mr I]

Thanks mate,

you seen this though, big claims about arimidex effect on test, but prolly less rebound with nolv?

Effects of Aromatase Inhibition in Elderly Men with Low or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels -- Leder et al. 89 (3): 1174 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

[Bouncer]

Thanks mate,

you seen this though, big claims about arimidex effect on test, but prolly less rebound with nolv?

Effects of Aromatase Inhibition in Elderly Men with Low or Borderline-Low Serum Testosterone Levels -- Leder et al. 89 (3): 1174 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

nolv is supposed to be even better at getting back to normal.

[Mr I]

So I'm at about 3 months since my last test enanthate shot, done the hcg at 500iu ed for 3week, with nolva and armoasin, then folowed up wit abou 4 weeks just nolva.

The old man doesn't jack up quite as quick and full as it used to be while on but its functional enough. Today I went to the doc and requested a testosterone, lh and fsh blood test which should come back in 7 days so I have an appointment for next Friday to talk through it.

I'll let you lot know what gets said but I'm expecting her to say low but ok, not gonna compare myself to a 19 year old though.

It was funny, docs don't like helping you with this stuff I thin they see it as self induced and see you like a smoker, I held my opinion but I felt like saying "look bitch, I'm hardly ever ill, because I work out regular, I don't cost the health service much at all yet over ten years employment I've paid a shit load towards the national health service in tax and national insurance"

she was trying to tell me about cholesterol effects of steroids and wanted me to go away and come back so that we yould test for that too but I'd have to fast over night so I said now do the hormone blood test now and I'll come back next friday for the cholesterol one.

[Bouncer]

So I'm at about 3 months since my last test enanthate shot, done the hcg at 500iu ed for 3week, with nolva and armoasin, then folowed up wit abou 4 weeks just nolva.

The old man doesn't jack up quite as quick and full as it used to be while on but its functional enough. Today I went to the doc and requested a testosterone, lh and fsh blood test which should come back in 7 days so I have an appointment for next Friday to talk through it.

I'll let you lot know what gets said but I'm expecting her to say low but ok, not gonna compare myself to a 19 year old though.

It was funny, docs don't like helping you with this stuff I thin they see it as self induced and see you like a smoker, I held my opinion but I felt like saying "look bitch, I'm hardly ever ill, because I work out regular, I don't cost the health service much at all yet over ten years employment I've paid a shit load towards the national health service in tax and national insurance"

she was trying to tell me about cholesterol effects of steroids and wanted me to go away and come back so that we yould test for that too but I'd have to fast over night so I said now do the hormone blood test now and I'll come back next friday for the cholesterol one.

just get a full panel done. all hormones included. no need to do 3-4 individual test.

[bigscott]

just get a full panel done. all hormones included. no need to do 3-4 individual test.

agreed

[Mr I]

just get a full panel done. all hormones included. no need to do 3-4 individual test.

So I got the full panel done with most results back on Friday, I will post the full results when I have time but essentially everything came back normal except, ALT (high) and testosterone which was low 3.8 where the normal range is 10-40.

I feel pretty good in myself but could do with that test level being better so not sure what to do now. The test resulkts seem to accord with BigScotts thread generallyhttp://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/41251-affects-steroid-abuse-reversible

My cholesterol was 4.8 with HDL at 1.2 so that was good considering I eat 3-4 red meat meals a day.

[ROCKETW19]

So I got the full panel done with most results back on Friday, I will post the full results when I have time but essentially everything came back normal except, ALT (high) and testosterone which was low 3.8 where the normal range is 10-40.

I feel pretty good in myself but could do with that test level being better so not sure what to do now. The test resulkts seem to accord with BigScotts thread generallyhttp://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-articles/41251-affects-steroid-abuse-reversible

My cholesterol was 4.8 with HDL at 1.2 so that was good considering I eat 3-4 red meat meals a day.

Are you still "off" give it another month or so and re-check. I think your test levels will go up more.
In the USA we dont have the 10-40 test range so I cant say whats what but a 3.8 seems pretty damn low. How long did you run the nolva? How long have you been off the nolva?

[Mr I]

Are you still "off" give it another month or so and re-check. I think your test levels will go up more.
In the USA we dont have the 10-40 test range so I cant say whats what but a 3.8 seems pretty damn low. How long did you run the nolva? How long have you been off the nolva?

I ran plenty nolva say 4-6 weeks after HCG administration. I don't feel bad in myself generally and my strength is ok, I suppose I'll just leave it and see what happens, get tested again in a couple months

[Mr I]

Update,

so I had another full panel done 2 April and the doc phoned me with the results, all normal including fsh and lh but test still low.

Test levels were 5.6 or 5.8 nmol/L which equates a crappy 165.7 ng/l inUS money, I'm pretty happy that FHS and LH are normal since last time they were low and although the testosterone level isn't quite what it should be it still shows that its increased since last time which is good.

I've been taking nolva the whole time on top of the initial HCG therapy 3 weeks at 500iu per day when I first came off end of last October.

It has occured to me that because the FSH/LH are normal but test isn't this is because the leydig cells in my testes were dormant for so long that they arn't as sensitive to the LH now as they should be. As a consequence I've come to the decision to blast them with 3 x 5000iu HCG shots 1 every five days. I know this conflicts the usual 250-500iu per day logic and I know that I did hcg already at the end of my last cycle early November but I think so long as I keep it to those three shots, keep taking the nolva through and 4 weeks after this could help get them going, I did the first shot 3 days ago and its certainly made my balls harden and grow slightly although size isn't really an indication since the leydig cells (responsible for producing testosterone) only take up 10% of the testes space.

Been using ephidrine now and again, clen for a week here and there and creatine ethyl ester every day.

[Mr I]

Update,
so I've been off since Late October last year, haven't had my test levels rechecked since I feel fine in all ways now. Biggest problem I have found is eating enough to stay strong while not getting fat or eating lower amounts and clean and losing strength.

Whole different ball game this natural lark!