new cycle information

[parabody]

Havent been on the board in a while, seems like alot of poeple havent, but im considering running another cycle starting in the begining of february. Im getting everything together early so i have it and im ready let me know what you guys think.


stats


510, 210lbs, 15% bf, have ran a couple cycles in past last cycle was prop and tren


new cycle


prop eod 1-14 75mg eod
tren eod 8-14 75mg eod
eq every third day weeks 1-12 150mg every third day
clen cycle 2 weeks on 2 weeks off weeks 1-6 and again 9-14
winny at 50mgs/day from weeks 10-14
adex and hcg will be run throughout the cycle

pct will consist of hcg, some adex, nolva, and clomid following the cycle

reason running prop and tren at 75 eod is because i had great results last time, i think i might end up bumping the prop up to 100mgs when i start the tren to keep my test levels even since tren is so harsh


let me know what you guys think

[Bouncer]

personally i would run the test/tren/and prop weeks 1-14.

[liftsiron]

personally i would run the test/tren/and prop weeks 1-14.

I agree and with running tren the full 14 weeks and with proper diet you won't need clen. I would not run winny at the end of a cycle. I know this is very popular but it's wrong, reason being is that winny upregulates the GR receptor making holding gains much harder. Also winny whacks the joints catliege hard.

[CrankinSteiN]

Some good advice so far.

I concur with the suggestion of keeping it simple and running just tren and test prop and also running the tren for the whole cycle. You don't need all those drugs and with limited cycles under your belt, test prop/tren together should give good results... You don't mention what your goal for the cycle is but by the looks of things you are trying to lean out some.... Just remember not to try to do too much at once..... Adding muscle and losing fat should be done at different times so you can focus your energy on doing one or the other properly and have your diet bang on to match whichever is your goal....

[ROCKETW19]

So many opinions! Mine is best so disregard the rest and read mine.lol.
No need to bump up the dose if you had great gains last time ( that is what you stated)
Run the tren from the start but cut it 2 weeks before you stop the test. If you are like most tren will shut you down even harder than test, I like to recover from the harsh shut down before going into PCT.
EQ dosnt need to be injected every 3rd day you can take it 1 time per week. I also dont think 300 mgs is enough EQ to realy work especially in a 12 week period. If you front loaded it and ran it near the 5-600 range I would say ya but not the way you have ut.
Winny No comment I dont like it so I dont use it.
Adex? do you get estrogen sides? If no gyno dont run the Adex IMO. diet should be the thing to keep bloat down.

[parabody]

so your saying what front loan the eq? at 600mgs a week? isnt eq more of a longer ester and takes a while to kick in so dont understand why you front loan that, but i have surgery this week so will start the cycle maybe feb or mar depends on recovery. I am going to take some of the advise here and drop the winny and clen for now until im where i need to be to see the full potential of them. Also diet i did change up a little bit started cutting carbs which hadnt worked much for me in the past but am down about 8 lbs over the past 6 weeks so im happy with the weeight lose in teh right areas.


so should my cycle look more like this

1-12 tren 75mgs/eod
1-14 prop eod
hcg every 4th day
adex if sides kick in

still confused about the recomendation to front loan eq

[ROCKETW19]

EQ will take about 6 weeks to peak, If you only run it for 12 weeks you are basicaly only getting 6 weeks of it. If you front load it. It will still take about 6 weeks to peak but it will be at a higher dose. So in a sence its like you are running the same 300mgs longer.

Or to keep it simple run it longer 16 weeks + IMO.
I forget the exact time tables of how much is released and when but im sure if you do a search it will show up and you will understand better.

[parabody]

Yeah i see what you mean, im going to order a little more eq into this cycle up the dosage in begining start tren 3 weeks after the prop and eq. as far as tren from last cycle it didnt really seem to shut me down to a huge extant. I like running my doses lower not doing anything crazy limiting the side effects. well see what happens i have surgery wed on my hip no working out for 2 weeks which will be a nice recovery hit it hard and start the cycle in march.

weeks 1-12 400-600mg of eq
weeks 1-15 75 mg test prop eod
weeks 3-12 tren 75 eod (maybe even shorten the time of tren by a week or two)
hcg every 4th day
clean diet lots of cardio(replacing the clen and winny)

pct
hcg/nolva/clomid


is that more along the lines of what you were thinking rocket?
like i said i have time as an advantage not rushing this cycle since it maybe be last and just want to do it right.

[ROCKETW19]

Yeah i see what you mean, im going to order a little more eq into this cycle up the dosage in begining start tren 3 weeks after the prop and eq. as far as tren from last cycle it didnt really seem to shut me down to a huge extant. I like running my doses lower not doing anything crazy limiting the side effects. well see what happens i have surgery wed on my hip no working out for 2 weeks which will be a nice recovery hit it hard and start the cycle in march.

weeks 1-12 400-600mg of eq
weeks 1-15 75 mg test prop eod
weeks 3-12 tren 75 eod (maybe even shorten the time of tren by a week or two)
hcg every 4th day
clean diet lots of cardio(replacing the clen and winny)

pct
hcg/nolva/clomid


is that more along the lines of what you were thinking rocket?
like i said i have time as an advantage not rushing this cycle since it maybe be last and just want to do it right.

Looks good to me just keep the EQ closer to 600mgs.
Dont be scared of EQ it is mild. Its not like its 600mgs tren or deca.
Last cycle lol ive heard that before. either way stick around and help spread what you have learned.

[CrankinSteiN]

How many last cycles have you had rocket?? lol

I believe everyone has said at one point they were only doing one more cycle for one reason or another.... Usually doesn't happen tho

Good luck to the original poster with this cycle and that tho!

[bigscott]

personally i would run the test/tren/and prop weeks 1-14.

agreed

[ROCKETW19]

How many last cycles have you had rocket?? lol

I believe everyone has said at one point they were only doing one more cycle for one reason or another.... Usually doesn't happen tho

Good luck to the original poster with this cycle and that tho!

I have never said it. I was always the guy saying I will be on some sort of gear for life. But I think I might just leave the AAS alone and run GH now not sure yet?

[CrankinSteiN]

You think you will get the results you are looking for from just GH??

I have definitely said it was my last cycle at least once... maybe twice... lol

At the moment I can tell you there is many more cycles to come and that I prob will end up on HRT for life...

[ROCKETW19]

You think you will get the results you are looking for from just GH??

I have definitely said it was my last cycle at least once... maybe twice... lol

At the moment I can tell you there is many more cycles to come and that I prob will end up on HRT for life...

No I wont get the results I want thats for sure. But I will be getting tested now so I cant run any gear like that. Beside weighing 230lbs instead of 260 sure feels better on the lungs when fighting. After my run in the cage I might go back to some sort of HRT.

[CrankinSteiN]

No I wont get the results I want thats for sure. But I will be getting tested now so I cant run any gear like that. Beside weighing 230lbs instead of 260 sure feels better on the lungs when fighting. After my run in the cage I might go back to some sort of HRT.

Ahhh now I understand better..... Gonna be fightin are ya? Thats cool. You could probably still get away with juicin until a certain point tho couldn't you?? I have heard many guys use certain AAS up until a certain point then drop them and stick to the GH.... But I also understand about the weight difference... Can imagine it takes a toll to be that damn heavy all the time...