Let's talk about Winstrol Injectable!

[Gator_Mclusky]

I've written drug profiles for boards before just like someone wrote them for ology... Those are hardly scientific references since they are profiles written by knowledgeable members from stuff they have researched over the years and not from actual scientific data....

I'm not gonna get in a pissing match either. You can believe what you want based on the information you have read and your personal experience and I will believe what I want based on the information I have read and my personal experience. Agree to disagree and move on.

Sounds good my friend!

gator

[CrankinSteiN]

I've written drug profiles for boards before just like someone wrote them for ology... Those are hardly scientific references since they are profiles written by knowledgeable members from stuff they have researched over the years and not from actual scientific data....

I'm not gonna get in a pissing match either. You can believe what you want based on the information you have read and your personal experience and I will believe what I want based on the information I have read and my personal experience. Agree to disagree and move on.

[Ashop]

Ive loved WINSTROL/DECA/TEST PROP cycles for many years. Ive never experienced joint sides but we have always used DECA along side of it.

[Gator_Mclusky]

Do you have a reference for that quote?? It has been thought that injectable is less liver toxic but the fact is that it has to pass thru the liver and be processed the same as the oral version even tho you inject it....

Also my original point had nothing to do with toxicity of the drug... All I pointed out was that it is a myth that injectable winny produces better results then oral winny....

Sure, I didn't make it up. I got it from the profiles at Ology. I think they have the best and most in depth profiles of any board I've seen.

Here's another interesting excerpt:
The usual dosage for men is 35-75mg per day for the tablets and 25-50mg per day with the injectable version.
This would lead one to believe that by avoiding "first pass" and more of the oral is suggested for the same results the compound is more effective by being injected.

I don't want to get into a pissing match. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it as well.

gator;)

[CrankinSteiN]

Do you have a reference for that quote?? It has been thought that injectable is less liver toxic but the fact is that it has to pass thru the liver and be processed the same as the oral version even tho you inject it....

Also my original point had nothing to do with toxicity of the drug... All I pointed out was that it is a myth that injectable winny produces better results then oral winny....

[Gator_Mclusky]

does the drug magically become more effective because it is injected?? If so then wouldn't everyone take injectable dbol over oral and injectable anadrol over oral??? (and yes there is injectable anadrol available although it is UG Lab...) The answer is no they don't and it simply because injecting it doesn't change anything in the case of 17aa drugs like winny... It is still processed the same way...

How bout you show me a study that says injectable is more effective then oral winny... I will take a study with rats or mice too cause you won't find one....

I'm right... I don't need to prove it or argue with you anymore... Accept it and move on

You are the only one arguing. We are simply discussing our views. Maybe u missed this part:

With the structural (c17-AA) alteration, the tablets will also place a higher level of stress on the liver than the injectable (which avoids the "first pass"). During longer or higher dosed cycles, liver values should therefore be watched closely through regular blood work. Although less common, there is still a possibility of liver damage occuring with the injectable form.


gator

[curtus e flush]

move on^

[CrankinSteiN]

Show me this on paper that oral is same as injectable...Not some mice shit either...Fuck those rodents...

does the drug magically become more effective because it is injected?? If so then wouldn't everyone take injectable dbol over oral and injectable anadrol over oral??? (and yes there is injectable anadrol available although it is UG Lab...) The answer is no they don't and it simply because injecting it doesn't change anything in the case of 17aa drugs like winny... It is still processed the same way...

How bout you show me a study that says injectable is more effective then oral winny... I will take a study with rats or mice too cause you won't find one....

I'm right... I don't need to prove it or argue with you anymore... Accept it and move on

[CrankinSteiN]

Good debate gentlemen.....

gator

There is no debate... Winny is a drug that is 17aa just like dbol and anadrol and this is the reason it can be used orally.... This means it will make the first pass through the liver without being harmed much.... And just like other orals, that is what makes them hard on the liver.... The drug has that characteristic whether you inject it or take it orally.... Therefore it is just as harsh on the liver when injected and since it is processed the same way and carries the same characteristics no matter how it is used then why would it's effects change at all?? The answer is they don't..... Do you inject your dbol?? It is also available in an injectable version.... You probably don't and why not?? Cause it will work the same whether you inject it or take it orally... If it worked better don't you think everyone would want the injectable version of dbol as well???

[Gator_Mclusky]

[QUOTE=niko gatti;464736]

[B]Another top athlete gets popped for Winstrol. And he is a legend in the sport of MMA. One of my favorites ever.....Ken Shamrock and he looks like he's on Winstrol!
Some of the most elite get popped using Winstrol, boxers, MMA, Baseball, Football, cycling, track and field...and the list goes on.
Heck even Ben Johnson took the Gold Medal with a world record time dusting Carl Lewis.
Ive loved it for yrs because I dont like dieting and counting every calorie and carb. I eat clean while on but not that clean and Im convinced that Winstrol cuts with a strict diet and one can be more defined with a decent diet w/o the stress of hating meals or them getting so damned boring.
Also I see no reason for taking it orally when it is more potent inj.ing and poses less stress on the Liver.
This is how I feel and everyone is different.


Seriously KEN SHAMROCK is one of your favorites??? Dudes a bum

Well for a bum he is in the UFC Hall of Fame. He got the sport started and was one of the greatest for a good run and drew in Millions in PPV but.....I guess that being said, he's a bum.lol

As for the oral vs Inj. debate, that will go on forever. Ive seen one study say it doesnt matter toxicity wise and some that say orals do. Im not chancing it and I guess Im lucky that in 20 yrs of using it off and on I( never had the joint issues and after tearing up my knees riding moto cross I should be hurting.)

Everyones different.

Good debate gentlemen.....

gator

[niko gatti]

[QUOTE=Gator_Mclusky;464345][B]Another top athlete gets popped for Winstrol. And he is a legend in the sport of MMA. One of my favorites ever.....Ken Shamrock and he looks like he's on Winstrol!
Some of the most elite get popped using Winstrol, boxers, MMA, Baseball, Football, cycling, track and field...and the list goes on.
Heck even Ben Johnson took the Gold Medal with a world record time dusting Carl Lewis.
Ive loved it for yrs because I dont like dieting and counting every calorie and carb. I eat clean while on but not that clean and Im convinced that Winstrol cuts with a strict diet and one can be more defined with a decent diet w/o the stress of hating meals or them getting so damned boring.
Also I see no reason for taking it orally when it is more potent inj.ing and poses less stress on the Liver.
This is how I feel and everyone is different.


Seriously KEN SHAMROCK is one of your favorites??? Dudes a bum

[CrankinSteiN]

No bitch...you're the dumb ass...lol...I've got laryngitis again; the past 2 months I've had it twice:mad: I explained myself wrong, I knew what I meant...Just a bit retarded with this damn pressure in my head...so :fufool:

I was merely saying that if I would of to try winny, I would shoot it...TO ME, it's more of mind game than anything...Injecting would make me feel like it's working, regardless if it works the same by oral or injecting...For some reason or another, I do enjoy the pain/burn/pinch or whatever you want to call it from the AS I take with the needle...

Which has what to do with me pointing out the fact that even tho people like to say injectable qorks better, that is a myth... Oral works just as good. I was just stating that the myth is not true for the guys that didn't know....

[CrankinSteiN]

But for some, injecting would be better for them only because of it being injected as oppose to taking it orally...That would be me:) You couldn't convince me enough to take it orally should I try it...I would rather deal with the pinch or that little pain while injecting. Who's really done this test? Orally vs. Injection? Which is better? That's like the myth on Tren being SOOOO toxic and you don't want to do this for a long time; lol Seriously...Been on tren a few times for 6 months at a time, 100mgs EOD, still drank my Vodka on the rocks on the weekends, and liver values never went over 40. So who's to say Oral winny is better than injectable?

You're a dumbass.... lol I said injectable does not product better results then oral so there is no point injecting it... I never said oral is better then injectable in any way....

The point is that winny is processed the same way whether you take it orally or inject it so therefore I suggest people take it orally to avoid everyday pokes... If someone wants to inject it instead then they can go right ahead, I just don't want them to think they will get better results by injecting it cuz they won't....

[CrankinSteiN]

winny killed my joints too but damn did my strength go through the roof when I used it. Only used it a cpl times tho.

Hopefully everyone knows by now that there is no point injecting winny because it will not produce better results then taking it orally....

[Bouncer]

Same here and takes me weeks to recover.

more like months when you add letrozole and low cals to the mix.